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  • majormadmax

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    I do have concerns over people who carry without proper training and experience, but the LTC licensing program never really addressed that issue so its demise will have little impact on handgun safety in this state.

    When I took my initial CHL course many years ago, several students were barely able to safely handing a firearm and required basic instruction on its use. They passed.

    Even so, there's very little evidence that has been a problem. I am sure accidental firearms deaths among LTC holders occurs, but it's rare.

    But most importantly, it's no reason not to restore inalienable rights in the Lone Star State.
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    benenglish

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    The Texas LTC does not qualify under the Federal REAL ID Act standards for entry into the secure areas of airports, which went into effect on 1 Oct 2020.
    Excellent point. My experience using my LTC to board planes pre-dates full implementation of the REAL ID act.
     

    Aus_Schwaben

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    If nothing else, the LTC bypasses the background check call when purchasing a firearm which saves time. However, the base commander of Dyess AFB requires that firearm sales at the PX still go the whole nine yards. I do not know about Fort Hood as I never set foot on it while was in the Army and have not seen a need to since then either.
     
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    I've tried mine twice to try to get past security in the airport before the Real ID act and failed both times.
    I guess I've been lucky. And unlucky, too. I once had the TSA refuse to accept my passport. I won't delve into the story but it just goes to show that procedures aren't engraved in stone and aren't followed uniformly.

    I should add, however, that the majority of times I've used a CHL (which is what it was back then) to board a plane were prior to the creation of the TSA.
     

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    I guess I've been lucky. And unlucky, too. I once had the TSA refuse to accept my passport. I won't delve into the story but it just goes to show that procedures aren't engraved in stone and aren't followed uniformly.

    I should add, however, that the majority of times I've used a CHL (which is what it was back then) to board a plane were prior to the creation of the TSA.
    I have always made a habit of not showing or telling people about my LTC. My thinking is that concealed is the whole point. Showing the card is to me like wearing one of those stupid badges. Only my wife knows for sure.
     

    nine3six

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    Throwing my .02 in here. First, I am not an instructor. I’ve had my LTC for many years when it was a CHL. I carry every day. My biggest concern as was expressed earlier, is on purchases. I get the whole constitutional carry push, I really do. If this passes, and the LTC is obsolete, then to me, this is a huge step backward for the purchasing process. I do not want to have the feds knowing that I purchased from an ffl, and what that purchase is. Secondly, now I’m uncomfortable selling F2F with no knowledge of “Is this person a felon or not”
     

    Hoji

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    Throwing my .02 in here. First, I am not an instructor. I’ve had my LTC for many years when it was a CHL. I carry every day. My biggest concern as was expressed earlier, is on purchases. I get the whole constitutional carry push, I really do. If this passes, and the LTC is obsolete, then to me, this is a huge step backward for the purchasing process. I do not want to have the feds knowing that I purchased from an ffl, and what that purchase is. Secondly, now I’m uncomfortable selling F2F with no knowledge of “Is this person a felon or not”
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    Axxe55

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    Throwing my .02 in here. First, I am not an instructor. I’ve had my LTC for many years when it was a CHL. I carry every day. My biggest concern as was expressed earlier, is on purchases. I get the whole constitutional carry push, I really do. If this passes, and the LTC is obsolete, then to me, this is a huge step backward for the purchasing process. I do not want to have the feds knowing that I purchased from an ffl, and what that purchase is. Secondly, now I’m uncomfortable selling F2F with no knowledge of “Is this person a felon or not”

    Whether you have a LTC permit or not, you still have to fill out a Form 4473 when purchasing any firearm from an FFL. If the feds want to check FFL records, they have you on record purchasing a firearm.

    And your second concern is baseless as well. How do you know if their LTC permit is valid? How do you know that person is the same person listed on the permit? How do you know if the permit has been suspended or revoked because the person has broken the law?
     

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    IMHO, it's pretty clear, given the 2A and its purpose, there's an inherent conflict in the State requiring formal training/licensing for general carry (e.g. who gets to set the standards for 'acceptability'?)

    Proper training is a damn good idea all around (at least to basic proficiency), but the stronger the enforcement is, the more potential for abuse/infringement...

    Also, can you imagine having to be in one of these classes, lol?



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    That said, licensing definately has benefits, as stated repeatedly; One "soft" benefit I haven't seen mentioned is that (in my experience), it actually seems to lower the stress involved in any random LE contact (e.g. traffic stops, 911 called for 'public-display of face', etc...).

    A valid permit confirms not only that you've passed an enhanced background check, but also that you haven't been arrested for anything since then (my understanding is that any arrest will cause immediate revocation of the permit, but not sure if that's universally true...)
     

    Maverick44

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    Throwing my .02 in here. First, I am not an instructor. I’ve had my LTC for many years when it was a CHL. I carry every day. My biggest concern as was expressed earlier, is on purchases. I get the whole constitutional carry push, I really do. If this passes, and the LTC is obsolete, then to me, this is a huge step backward for the purchasing process. I do not want to have the feds knowing that I purchased from an ffl, and what that purchase is. Secondly, now I’m uncomfortable selling F2F with no knowledge of “Is this person a felon or not”

    I think I missed where the LTC and it's use to bypass a BG check was going to be done away with. From what I understand, Constitutional Carry is only going to do away with the requirement to have a LTC to carry a handgun.

    I don't know of any states that did away with their LTC program after adopting Constitutional carry, and there's been quite a few that's adopted it.

    As for the F2F thing, do you have any reason to believe that the person you are selling a gun to is a felon/prohibited person, or is not a resident of Texas? No? Then don't worry about it. You are required to not knowingly sell to a prohibited person. You are not responsible for performing a pseudo-background check on them.
     

    nine3six

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    I think I missed where the LTC and it's use to bypass a BG check was going to be done away with. From what I understand, Constitutional Carry is only going to do away with the requirement to have a LTC to carry a handgun.

    I don't know of any states that did away with their LTC program after adopting Constitutional carry, and there's been quite a few that's adopted it.

    As for the F2F thing, do you have any reason to believe that the person you are selling a gun to is a felon/prohibited person, or is not a resident of Texas? No? Then don't worry about it. You are required to not knowingly sell to a prohibited person. You are not responsible for performing a pseudo-background check on them.
    I’m not a lawyer, or government official that is involved in the discussion. I only know what I read, and all references within HB1911 to licensed carry are removed from the bill. This indicates to me, that with constitutional carry, the LTC program is no longer necessary to continue. If the TX LTC becomes invalid, then a purchaser from an FFL would only accept your TX DL for identification, and you would go through the NICS check, just like every other non LTC holder. As far as the F2F sale, that’s just how I choose to be responsible in selling. I won’t sell to you if you don’t have a LTC, and there is a bill of sale. That’s just how I choose to do my due diligence with who I choose to sell a firearm to.
     
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