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    Analog Kid

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    You and that author wrote a whole lot about how y’all feels, and y’all are entitled to do that. I disagree with y’all. But he lost me at “Texas already has a perfectly workable permitting system, and abolishing it is a textbook example of a solution in search of a problem.”

    Nothing in HB1927, or any other bill moving it’s way thru the legislature abolishes the LTC permitting system.

    I have zero respect for someone who espouses an opinion that contains an outright lie. The dumb son of a bîtch doesn’t deserve space on the page, and National Review should really reconsider the talent it promotes if they can’t get basic facts right.
    Seriously.. can you name more than 2 news outlets these days that DO get the facts right..? It has all become one un-funny fucking joke./ My response to this coming shit storm??..... BUY MORE AR's.
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    Rhino

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    Seriously.. can you name more than 2 news outlets these days that DO get the facts right..? It has all become one un-funny fucking joke./ My response to this coming shit storm??..... BUY MORE AR's.

    How many ARs does one need to actually engage in defensive actions? I think instead of buying more AR’s we need to spend money on training and tactics. My focus is to get one weapon to the point where I’m completely happy with it if it was the only thing I could grab. No one’s gonna be running with three AR’s into the woods.
     

    Analog Kid

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    How many ARs does one need to actually engage in defensive actions? I think instead of buying more AR’s we need to spend money on training and tactics. My focus is to get one weapon to the point where I’m completely happy with it if it was the only thing I could grab. No one’s gonna be running with three AR’s into the woods.
    I have a different one for each day of the week... I don't plan one carrying more than one "into the woods" as you say. That's what the 25 mags are for! I will be glad to pass the others around in order to fully arm anyone else who needs one. I started a new thread 10 minutes ago addressing the issue of when to formulate our militia that we all here are so fond of referring to as our 2A right to defend this state against the fucking criminal terrorists that showed up in Plano this weekend.
     
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    I had a cousin killed in a gunfight when he was 14, I had a friend shot dead by accident when he was 11, I agree that Texas LTC class is a joke and provides little to NO training. I advocate real training for carrying :safety, liability, legally,and mechanics ; and prohibiting people with a history of violence from carrying firearms outside their homes (background checks). I have drawn and fired once in Dallas when attacked by 4 carjackers, I have drawn two more times in self defense and wished I had been armed on two other occasions when threatened by armed individuals and groups. I remember gunshows in the 70's and 80's where gunfire was a common occurrence, now it is rare- people can be taught.

    Coyote9,

    I suspect that I'm considerably older than you are at 74YO & I NEVER remember ANY TIME when gunfire was "common" at gun shows. - I once was a "habitual exhibitor" at MANY gun shows, in the long ago days when I worked for a for a NGO.
    (For example, I can find exactly ONE case of a gun being fired at the "old-time" DALAS MARKET HALL show & that was an INTENTIONAL CRIMINAL assault/attempted robbery, that could have happened ANYPLACE.

    PARDON ME for asking, WHERE did you get that UTTER FOOLISHNESS??
    (From an ANTI-2nd Amendment/LEFTIST "source" like the "KNEW YARK SLIMES" perhaps??)

    IF you cannot provide actual SOURCES that are TRUTHFUL & that can be VERIFIED, I suggest that you admit that you are posting NONSENSE & BRAVO SIERRA.

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    My background check was more in depth than a ltc check.
    My wife's was more in depth than mine.
    BUT, we don't have ltc, so we're not to be trusted.
    Yes, you are correct in your statements. However, the assumption that the legal requirements to purchase a weapon actually do anything to keep firearms from criminals, insane or other bad actors. A person that was prohibited because of a non-violent white collar crime, like tax evasion, is not in my opinion a danger to be armed? A person that has paid for his crime that is forced to live in a dangerous neighborhood always a threat? even after 10 or 20 years of no-criminal activity? Does our police have a "duty" to protect people that have been denied the tools required for self defense? We seem to not have a problem with restoring voting rights but not gun rights? Again, my opinion is that voting rights not be restored but firearm rights should be.
     

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    "A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state." That is definitely up for interpretation, at least in my mind.
    And the right to bear arms is not a God-given right. Can't find that in the Bible anywhere.
    With that being said, and I know many or most on this forum are already seething with rage if they have read this far, I am not a fan of unlicensed carry in Texas. The current system works well. Very well in my mind. Carry permit holders, as a class, are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state statistically. When I encounter an open carry person, it is highly likely in my mind that the person has passed a couple of background checks when he bought his/her firearm and when he/her obtained their carry permit and likely a few times in between. Of course there is not guarantee of such or that the person is legally carrying his firearm on his hip. But I will imagine or hope for the better.

    The founding fathers made it very clear the meaning and intent of the 2nd amendment. please read the Federalist papers. The Bill of rights/Constitution do not grant our rights, nor does man or government. Our rights, are unalienable and inherent. Another issue I have is having to pay for a right. Pay for finger printing, pay for permit, pay for classes, and using my free time to take a class. What other right do we have where we pay for a permit or classes? Voting? 1st amendment? Its not fair for those who cannot go through the class. Disabled, elderly. My wife, can shoot very well, but due to heart condition cannot make it through a class due to stanima issues. but she should be allowed to carry when she goes somewhere...also, situations may crop up unexpectedly such as an ex husband, boyfriend, stalker, and there may not be time to wait....Just because the system works, doesn't make it good. Honestly, the classes are a joke and in no way qualify as training. We can already carry long guns now, but you do not mention that...where do you stand on that out of curiosity? If this does not pass, I would like to see en masse people carry their long guns. Ar-15's , 30-30's, 30-o6, .50 cals. I came from mississippi, there have been zero issues from this law, as well as the other 20 states. no issues. Remember, the bad guys are already carrying their firearms, no training, no permit and no background check.
     

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    "A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state." That is definitely up for interpretation, at least in my mind.
    And the right to bear arms is not a God-given right. Can't find that in the Bible anywhere.
    With that being said, and I know many or most on this forum are already seething with rage if they have read this far, I am not a fan of unlicensed carry in Texas. The current system works well. Very well in my mind. Carry permit holders, as a class, are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state statistically. When I encounter an open carry person, it is highly likely in my mind that the person has passed a couple of background checks when he bought his/her firearm and when he/her obtained their carry permit and likely a few times in between. Of course there is not guarantee of such or that the person is legally carrying his firearm on his hip. But I will imagine or hope for the better.

    The founding fathers made it very clear the meaning and intent of the 2nd amendment. please read the Federalist papers. The Bill of rights/Constitution do not grant our rights, nor does man or government. Our rights, are unalienable and inherent. Another issue I have is having to pay for a right. Pay for finger printing, pay for permit, pay for classes, and using my free time to take a class. What other right do we have where we pay for a permit or classes? Voting? 1st amendment? Its not fair for those who cannot go through the class. Disabled, elderly. My wife, can shoot very well, but due to heart condition cannot make it through a class due to stanima issues. but she should be allowed to carry when she goes somewhere...also, situations may crop up unexpectedly such as an ex husband, boyfriend, stalker, and there may not be time to wait....Just because the system works, doesn't make it good. Honestly, the classes are a joke and in no way qualify as training. We can already carry long guns now, but you do not mention that...where do you stand on that out of curiosity? If this does not pass, I would like to see en masse people carry their long guns. Ar-15's , 30-30's, 30-o6, .50 cals. I came from mississippi, there have been zero issues from this law, as well as the other 20 states. no issues. Remember, the bad guys are already carrying their firearms, no training, no permit and no background check.

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    easy rider

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    "A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state." That is definitely up for interpretation, at least in my mind.
    And the right to bear arms is not a God-given right. Can't find that in the Bible anywhere.
    With that being said, and I know many or most on this forum are already seething with rage if they have read this far, I am not a fan of unlicensed carry in Texas. The current system works well. Very well in my mind. Carry permit holders, as a class, are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state statistically. When I encounter an open carry person, it is highly likely in my mind that the person has passed a couple of background checks when he bought his/her firearm and when he/her obtained their carry permit and likely a few times in between. Of course there is not guarantee of such or that the person is legally carrying his firearm on his hip. But I will imagine or hope for the better.

    The founding fathers made it very clear the meaning and intent of the 2nd amendment. please read the Federalist papers. The Bill of rights/Constitution do not grant our rights, nor does man or government. Our rights, are unalienable and inherent. Another issue I have is having to pay for a right. Pay for finger printing, pay for permit, pay for classes, and using my free time to take a class. What other right do we have where we pay for a permit or classes? Voting? 1st amendment? Its not fair for those who cannot go through the class. Disabled, elderly. My wife, can shoot very well, but due to heart condition cannot make it through a class due to stanima issues. but she should be allowed to carry when she goes somewhere...also, situations may crop up unexpectedly such as an ex husband, boyfriend, stalker, and there may not be time to wait....Just because the system works, doesn't make it good. Honestly, the classes are a joke and in no way qualify as training. We can already carry long guns now, but you do not mention that...where do you stand on that out of curiosity? If this does not pass, I would like to see en masse people carry their long guns. Ar-15's , 30-30's, 30-o6, .50 cals. I came from mississippi, there have been zero issues from this law, as well as the other 20 states. no issues. Remember, the bad guys are already carrying their firearms, no training, no permit and no background check.
    Agreed! Although I do advocate training, If you are going to push for training to exercise a 2nd Amendment right, maybe we should next push for speech classes to exercise a 1st Amendment right.
     

    Vaquero

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    Yes, you are correct in your statements. However, the assumption that the legal requirements to purchase a weapon actually do anything to keep firearms from criminals, insane or other bad actors. A person that was prohibited because of a non-violent white collar crime, like tax evasion, is not in my opinion a danger to be armed? A person that has paid for his crime that is forced to live in a dangerous neighborhood always a threat? even after 10 or 20 years of no-criminal activity? Does our police have a "duty" to protect people that have been denied the tools required for self defense? We seem to not have a problem with restoring voting rights but not gun rights? Again, my opinion is that voting rights not be restored but firearm rights should be.
    OK. They can be your financial advisor too.
     

    jrbfishn

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    "A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state." That is definitely up for interpretation, at least in my mind.
    And the right to bear arms is not a God-given right. Can't find that in the Bible anywhere.
    With that being said, and I know many or most on this forum are already seething with rage if they have read this far, I am not a fan of unlicensed carry in Texas. The current system works well. Very well in my mind. Carry permit holders, as a class, are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state statistically. When I encounter an open carry person, it is highly likely in my mind that the person has passed a couple of background checks when he bought his/her firearm and when he/her obtained their carry permit and likely a few times in between. Of course there is not guarantee of such or that the person is legally carrying his firearm on his hip. But I will imagine or hope for the better.

    The founding fathers made it very clear the meaning and intent of the 2nd amendment. please read the Federalist papers. The Bill of rights/Constitution do not grant our rights, nor does man or government. Our rights, are unalienable and inherent. Another issue I have is having to pay for a right. Pay for finger printing, pay for permit, pay for classes, and using my free time to take a class. What other right do we have where we pay for a permit or classes? Voting? 1st amendment? Its not fair for those who cannot go through the class. Disabled, elderly. My wife, can shoot very well, but due to heart condition cannot make it through a class due to stanima issues. but she should be allowed to carry when she goes somewhere...also, situations may crop up unexpectedly such as an ex husband, boyfriend, stalker, and there may not be time to wait....Just because the system works, doesn't make it good. Honestly, the classes are a joke and in no way qualify as training. We can already carry long guns now, but you do not mention that...where do you stand on that out of curiosity? If this does not pass, I would like to see en masse people carry their long guns. Ar-15's , 30-30's, 30-o6, .50 cals. I came from mississippi, there have been zero issues from this law, as well as the other 20 states. no issues. Remember, the bad guys are already carrying their firearms, no training, no permit and no background check.
    Seems I have heard that exact same speech somewhere before......

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