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  • rotor

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    Thanks. I’m still having a hard time reconciling how a virus that is both easily transmissible and highly lethal has staying power. It has to either burn itself out of hosts or it has to mutate to preserve itself. I get exponential increases in afflicted cases results in increased mortality because math and all that, but that doesn’t take into account the exponentially increasing population with immunity.

    I’ve always said that thinking what we know is all there is to know is a fallacy…the key must still lie in what we don’t know, and I think that’s going to be found in how endemic this turns out to be in the long run. I would *think* more endemic than more epidemic would be a better outcome over time. I doubt this virus will ever be eradicated.

    Once the collective ‘we’ recognizes this I hope things become more rational and less binary.
    Perhaps it has staying power because so many have not been vaccinated.
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    As far as I know, we've lived with coronaviruses all our lives.

    We all have, there’s four common to humans and three zoonotic. Of the three zoonotic viruses, two have epidemic qualities…a breakout occurs and it is brought under control. The third is what virus that causes COVID.

    Personally, I believe many more people have had their immune system exposed to the virus than haven’t.
     

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    We all have, there’s four common to humans and three zoonotic. Of the three zoonotic viruses, two have epidemic qualities…a breakout occurs and it is brought under control. The third is what virus that causes COVID.

    Personally, I believe many more people have had their immune system exposed to the virus than haven’t.
    From what I've been told, I work in a petri dish. Very few students wear masks (not that I think they do a lot of good), and I come into close contact many times. If I didn't have some immunity from such a highly transmissible disease, shouldn't I have contracted it by now?

    ETA: Maybe it's the welding fumes.
     

    Axxe55

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    I'm a very questioning person. And when there isn't even a consensus among doctors and scientists on Covid, and the Covid vaccines, what are we suppose to believe, and who?

    Then factor in the politicians, and the media, using all sorts of propaganda in trying to convince the general public that we are at risk, and we NEED to be vaccinated, and then still wear our masks, and then brace yourselves for another vaccine, and another, and where does it stop?

    When did politicians and the media personalities become experts on the virus and vaccines? And why should we, or are we even listening to people that are merely repeating something, that someone told them to say?
     

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    Perhaps it has staying power because so many have not been vaccinated.

    Not really since that requires a lot of assuming, considering we know it took 24 years of vaccination efforts to rid the US of polio. UAE has a 90%+ ‘fully vaccinated’ and 97%+ ‘partially vaccinated’ population (out of 10M pop) and isn’t a particularly hospitable environment yet has hundreds of people daily being diagnosed.

    Compare that to the flu pandemics that have run their course over a couple of years. Widespread COVID is not quite two years old; we could very well be living thru the normal march of time. There’s a lot of hubris in thinking human kind can control nature in such short order.
     

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    Not really since that requires a lot of assuming, considering we know it took 24 years of vaccination efforts to rid the US of polio. UAE has a 90%+ ‘fully vaccinated’ and 97%+ ‘partially vaccinated’ population (out of 10M pop) and isn’t a particularly hospitable environment yet has hundreds of people daily being diagnosed.

    Compare that to the flu pandemics that have run their course over a couple of years. Widespread COVID is not quite two years old; we could very well be living thru the normal march of time. There’s a lot of hubris in thinking human kind can control nature in such short order.
    Seems that if 150,000,000 are not immune then you have an adequate population to keep the infection going.
     

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    Your assumption is there is no immunity without a vaccination?
    No, my assumption is that there are a huge amount of people that have not had Covid yet. But even if everyone has had Covid that doesn't mean it wont still be there. Haven't you had a cold more than once?
     

    easy rider

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    No, my assumption is that there are a huge amount of people that have not had Covid yet. But even if everyone has had Covid that doesn't mean it wont still be there. Haven't you had a cold more than once?
    Apples to chickpeas again. The cold can be caused by how many different viruses?
     

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    It really seems unlikely that there are huge populations which haven't yet been exposed to ANY COVID virus particles.
    That was my take on it. They have been screaming HIGHLY infectious this whole time. Unless you live off your land and don't go to town, I just don't see that being the case.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    That percentage is wrong. 90% of the vaxxed are not vetted covid. 9o% of new patients may have been vaxed. Big difference.

    I think you’re confusing two different posts. I stated to Rotor the UAE has a 91% full vax and 97% partial vax rate, yet average several hundred cases daily. The context was that even in a a country like UAE with near universal vax rate, the vax isn’t an end-all be-all thing that will magically wipe the source virus of the face of the earth.
     

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    That was my take on it. They have been screaming HIGHLY infectious this whole time. Unless you live off your land and don't go to town, I just don't see that being the case.
    In 2020, I went to town even less, and pretty much only to the doctor's office, where that was the only place I wore a mask. Even before self-isolating myself, I very seldom ventured into town, and still don't very much. But in January of this year, I got Covid. From whom, or how, I have not any idea.

    Could have been any number of places. Could have been from my own wife, since she comes into contact with lots of people on daily basis. Maybe she had Covid, but never showed any symptoms.
     
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