I see why Hollywood is afraid of firearms - Alec Baldwin kills set employee

[Hoji]

As I said in an earlier comment, nothing will come of this. Just read to comments from one of the latest press releases

Warrant: Baldwin didn't know weapon contained live round

Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show. The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a...

www.yahoo.com

Article commenting has been suspended. Guessing the amount of people critical of stupidity started to outweigh the stupid.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Had never heard that term before.

I am old school - "Chain of events..."

A guy named James Reason came up with the model some 30+ years ago dealing with risk mitigation in complex systems.

Reason, J. “The Contribution of Latent Human Failures to the Breakdown of Complex Systems.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. Series B, Biological Sciences 327, no. 1241 (1990): 475–84. http://www.jstor.org/stable/55319.

 

[oldag]

What does "misfire" even mean, giving the people claiming it are gun ignorant.

sounds better than negligent discharge, and the liberal media must protect liberals

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Evidently, the phrase "live round" in the film industry, can also refer to blanks.

 

[kbaxter60]

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Now, that is dark.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

His insurance company will pay the victims. He will act as nothing happened, heartless liberal. Then go on to use this to prove his point about guns killing people.

 

[kbaxter60]

They are getting brutal. Oh, well....

 

[Renegade]

A guy named James Reason came up with the model some 30+ years ago dealing with risk mitigation in complex systems.

Reason, J. “The Contribution of Latent Human Failures to the Breakdown of Complex Systems.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. Series B, Biological Sciences 327, no. 1241 (1990): 475–84. http://www.jstor.org/stable/55319.

I know, I googled it, thus seeing it was newer than what I use. Just another name for the same thing.

 

[Kar98]

Can you imagine how the media would absolutely rip him apart if it had been Clint Eastwood or Keanu Reeves instead of their anti gun nut darling?

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Anti Gunner shoots and kills one and wounds another.
So much for truth in anti gunners lies.
Money overrides beliefs and falsehoods.

 

[Catherine1]

I will come back to this later on. I have followed this story from MANY sources online when the story broke and before I read this and one other forum.

I BLAME the shooter.

Yes, there is a LOT more to the story from all sides and sources.

May the dead lady's family, friends and co workers have some peace.

May the dead lady rest in peace. I am sad that she died even though I had NO clue who she was.

May the wounded man heal up.

My husband explained 'blanks' to me AND I saw some professional people explain this too. Armorers for films and other gun men. I saw this on OTA boob tube news in the wee hours on one station too.

A human being can fire/shoot BLANKS from a firearm and the blanks CAN KILL a person not just wound them.

A human being can fire/shoot any type of ammunition from a firearm of any type and KILL a person not just wound them.

(My MT husband told me that when he had hunter safety classes as a kid in school (Late 50's or early 60's?) - the INSTRUCTOR showed them what a so called BLANK could do when it came to damage too.

He was shooting as a KID too. Under supervision. Very, very young! He got his first deer when he was 12 years old and his OLDER brother and another neighbor man were with him.)

Some of you have caught on to more of the story here in this thread since a lot more has come out as the hours went on. I am glad that some of you mentioned it here too.

I may add some other LINKS later on.

Funny thing, really NOT so funny, whenever I have handed OVER A FIREARM to another person whether it was my late husband, my MT husband, any friend shooting in a few states on all types of terrain and SEVERAL INDOOR AND OUTDOOR - CLUB official shooting ranges, to MY old dead and alive friends including ones in police work and to my or my husband's old military buddies, etc. - I ALWAYS CHECKED - CHECK THAT MY FIREARM was UNLOADED - demonstrated to them that my firearm was EMPTY-UNLOADED and when THEY PICKED IT UP FROM ME EVEN IF THEY JUST SAW ME DO THIS - THEY CHECKED IT TOO.

I HAD an old friend in Colorado who died within a week of my late husband. He told me that he never saw anyone so careful about gun safety and transferring firearms to them and vice versa even IF they handed ME one of their firearms to shoot and even if I saw them unload it, etc. - I ALWAYS CHECKED THE FIREARM OUT because that was/is what I was TAUGHT and READ even when I started to buy my own guns and get into shooting in my late 40's.

I was ALWAYS told that ALL GUNS were loaded.

Period.

Col. Jeff Cooper's rules, etc.

I have never seen a BLANK in real life as in seeing one in my hand or any other person holding a blank.

I do NOT care for AB and when I say that HE is responsible - it has nothing to do with his vile talk or actions.

Maybe he was going on about Trump's COMMENTS about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and more! Who knows?

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters."

Nothing would shock me if this was an accident or ANOTHER CASE of a bad day when it came to AB and his crazy talk, temper, etc.

AB had 3 ROLES (Actor, producer, director (?).) in that movie being filmed.

Plus there was a whole bunch of other crapola going on THERE and not only with the CREW who walked OFF THE SET and with other complaints.

Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer on Alec Baldwin Film Contained ‘Live Single Round,’ Union Claims

The prop gun fired by Alec Baldwin in fatal shooting on set of 'Rust' contained a 'live single round,' union claims.

variety.com

“Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members,” Pawluc said. “There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet. On behalf of Local 44’s Officers, Executive Board and Staff, our thoughts and prayers go out to Halyna and her family. We also send good thoughts to Joel and his family for a full recovery.”

TONS OF OTHER LINKS are out there telling what was going on while filming that movie.

Throw in the movie's PLOT - strange indeed.

AB, KARMA is a female dog. TOO bad that you hurt and killed people plus what you have done in the PAST too.

Your hypocrisy shows NO bounds!

Just like all of the OTHER HOLLYWEIRD ANTI GUN PEOPLE who make movies with guns and tons of violence in them. Throw in your private security guards and public - taxpayer paid peace officers who guard your sorry butt when you are out and about. Throw in your LOCKED GATES and walls around your fancy homes!

Cate

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

There is only one person to blame: the one that pulled the trigger.
I hope he suffers deeply and continuously.
IF a car plows into a crowd do you blame the car or the driver?
I know some of you that always want to argue will say the car COULD have mechanical problems and so on.

 

[benenglish]

Evidently, the phrase "live round" in the film industry, can also refer to blanks.

Yes. Part of the problem with this story is the disconnect between people who know about guns and other folks who come up with whatever definitions they want for the words they use. "Live round" and "prop gun" seem to mean whatever the speaker thinks they mean, without standardization. It's frustrating.

And it's become clear that Gun Wrangler, Prop Master, Armorer, Master of Arms, and other noun phrases fall in and out of fashion with the times. Whatever the job is called, whoever was assigned those duties on this job was severely incompetent. Clearly, many things had to go wrong at many different steps in the process for this to occur.

Hell, I'm the most absent-minded person I know and, still, even I could make sure that any gun I hand to an actor is either unloaded or loaded with the correct (blank) ammunition. Even I could teach enough basic gun safety to actors so that they could confirm I'm doing my job. And that's setting the bar pretty damn low.

The whole thing is just mind-boggling.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Questions:
1 was this during actual filming?
2 was it horseplay?
3 was there supposed to be
blanks in it?
4 was there a live 45 round in it?
5 if so how did it get in the gun?
6 why was the firearm not dbl
checked before being allowed
on set.
7 if this was a blank and no
horseplay was involved why was
proper distance not observed.
8 why did AB not check the
weapon himself?

 

[BillM]

 

[benenglish]

Questions:
1 was this during actual filming?
2 was it horseplay?
3 was there supposed to be
blanks in it?
4 was there a live 45 round in it?
5 if so how did it get in the gun?
6 why was the firearm not dbl
checked before being allowed
on set.
7 if this was a blank and no
horseplay was involved why was
proper distance not observed.
8 why did AB not check the
weapon himself?

The answers to all those questions are still not definitively known. We have answers to some of those questions but they're based on second hand reporting from non-primary sources and/or wild speculation. I feel sure that if I were to list what we know now, much of it would eventually be demonstrably wrong.

Nevertheless, stating what we seem to know now might help structure the conversation in the future. With that in mind and knowing full well that the following will be proved partly or completely wrong, the answers at this time seem to be:

1. Reports vary but possibly a rehearsal.
2. Not definitively known but probably not.
3. Probably yes.
4. Probably yes.
5. Big question. Some reports indicate that the gun, which had had problems prior, had been taken out and shot, presumably for testing, prior to this incident. We could speculate that someone was stupid enough to not completely unload it. However, the answer to your question is currently unknown.
6. Unknown. The main person who was responsible for this task was not the person who handed the gun to the actor. This seems to be due to some labor strife happening on set but, as with everything else, that's not definitively known.
7. Most likely this question gets a "n/a" answer.
8. Unknown. And that's a big unknown. It's eventually going to go to a larger question of "Whose job is it to check firearms on set at each stage?" The answer to this question will probably only be clarified by a jury, years from now, when a future lawsuit against AB is finally decided.

Now, someone remind me to come back here in a week or two and add to this post a note about how many things I just got wrong.

 

[Renegade]

Questions:
1 was this during actual filming?
2 was it horseplay?
3 was there supposed to be
blanks in it?
4 was there a live 45 round in it?
5 if so how did it get in the gun?
6 why was the firearm not dbl
checked before being allowed
on set.
7 if this was a blank and no
horseplay was involved why was
proper distance not observed.
8 why did AB not check the
weapon himself?

1 No
2 No
3 Yes
4 Yes
5 Unverified
6 Who says it wasnt
7 Huh?
8 Only he knows

 

[wbblazer90]

Oh man, the memes coming out and the ones you guys are posting are killing me, no pun intended.

 

[gdr_11]

When you consider that the film industry spent more than $630 million within the state of New Mexico this year and that most of the state, with the exception of the Los Alamos federal complex, is so economically depressed, does anyone think the state will allow Baldwin to be prosecuted? Not a chance.

New Mexico marks record year of spending by film industry

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Despite the coronavirus pandemic that led to a shutdown for months in film production, the show did go on in New Mexico.

apnews.com

 

[easy rider]

When you consider that the film industry spent more than $630 million within the state of New Mexico this year and that most of the state, with the exception of the Los Alamos federal complex, is so economically depressed, does anyone think the state will allow Baldwin to be prosecuted? Not a chance.

New Mexico marks record year of spending by film industry

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Despite the coronavirus pandemic that led to a shutdown for months in film production, the show did go on in New Mexico.

apnews.com

You forgot to say that he also has the right political thinking for the demographics.