Ahmaud Arbery - The Trial

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  • Armybrat

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    While I do think the jury was correct (maybe some strangeness with recording guy but didn’t follow close enough to be sure) lack of media blackout doesn’t help much. If you only followed mainstream media sources for the Kenosha Kid you’d think the jury had made a huge mistake.

    But in this case, yeah. They murdered that guy.


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    Axxe55

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    I was just asking a question about the guy recording the incident and his culpability.
    I already had an opinion about the other two, who are getting what they deserve.
    I have long held the belief that anyone that participated in a criminal act, even if not directly, is just as guilty as those that directly committed the criminal act.

    A group of guys decide to rob a store, One stays in the getaway vehicle. One in the store shoots and kills the the clerk. IMO, everyone is guilty of murder and armed robber.

    Many states have passed laws that reflect exactly that way of accountability. I don't disagree wit the law on that premise in the least.
     

    Armybrat

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    Not following every detail of the case, I was unaware of the ties between the video guy and the murderers. He obviously is an accessory in retrospect.
     

    striker55

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    Why?
    As far as he knew, they were just 3 white guys chasing him with guns. Why in the should he stop? So they can shoot him easier? If I was being chased by 3 guys with guns, of any ethnic persuasion, I would not have acted much different.
    Your logic leave a lot to be desired.

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    Okay you disagree, I get it, just my opinion, I'm dropping it.
     
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    Aus_Schwaben

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    While I feel that they should not have shot the guy, with the disclosure of his other activities as "the jogger, I lost whatever sympathy I might have had for him or his family. I am pretty sure there are shopkeepers (and others) there that breathed a sigh of relief over the fact that they will not have to submit to his theft any more.

    Too many people get away with their crimes for too long and then, when they are caught in flagrante delicto, the perpetrator (if they survive), the family and friends, and the agitators, start making praising them while making excuses. Some even point out the fact that they had gotten away with their crimes for so long why was it a big deal at that point!
     

    kbaxter60

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    Like another mentioned here, I did not see enough of the coverage to understand the charges. Can someone explain why there were multiple "felony murder" counts for each of them? And how does the jury measure each of those charges? Are there underlying details that distinguishes each of them?

    Also, what's up with "unlawful imprisonment"? Because they tried to detain AA?
     

    striker55

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    Q: Do you think, given Georgia’s criteria for use of force, deadly force, and self defense statues, the verdict should have been different?
    I'm not a lawyer but if someone tries to take my gun, it's him or me. Okay does that answer your question?
     

    Axxe55

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    While I feel that they should not have shot the guy, with the disclosure of his other activities as "the jogger, I lost whatever sympathy I might have had for him or his family. I am pretty sure there are shopkeepers (and others) there that breathed a sigh of relief over the fact that they will not have to submit to his theft any more.

    Too many people get away with their crimes for too long and then, when they are caught in flagrante delicto, the perpetrator (if they survive), the family and friends, and the agitators, start making praising them while making excuses. Some even point out the fact that they had gotten away with their crimes for so long why was it a big deal at that point!
    Wow. Let's shoot first and ask questions later.

    Unless they knew Arbery personally, and knew if he had a past criminal history, he still didn't deserve to be killed. And if he wasn't stealing their personal property, they had no business trying to capture or detain him. Acting "suspicious" doesn't come anywhere close to be a justified use of deadly force.

    If these three idiots had just followed and kept an eye on him at a discreet distance and waited for LE to arrive, Arbery would still be alive, and three men wouldn't be going to prison for a very long time.
     

    nickgibson72

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    While I feel that they should not have shot the guy, with the disclosure of his other activities as "the jogger, I lost whatever sympathy I might have had for him or his family. I am pretty sure there are shopkeepers (and others) there that breathed a sigh of relief over the fact that they will not have to submit to his theft any more.

    Too many people get away with their crimes for too long and then, when they are caught in flagrante delicto, the perpetrator (if they survive), the family and friends, and the agitators, start making praising them while making excuses. Some even point out the fact that they had gotten away with their crimes for so long why was it a big deal at that point!
    Please tell me what crime he committed that he deserved to be chased down and murdered?
     

    toddnjoyce

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    I'm not a lawyer but if someone tries to take my gun, it's him or me. Okay does that answer your question?

    Not really. If you corner someone who’s unarmed and you pull a gun, that doesn’t meet the Georgia (or Texas) or Texas elements for use of force or deadly force, both of which are necessary to mount a successful self-defense claim.

    Now Arbury, all the elements of the law were on his side once the gun came out. He pretty much had carte blanche standing to do whatever he needed to do to defend himself.

    More clearly, if you chase me down, corner me, and introduce a disparity of force, be it a weapon or the number of people you brought to start a fight, then I’m well within in the law to neutralize the threat you poss to me.

    But you have zero authority to stop or detain me for any reason at all, much less use force or attempt to use deadly force to stop me.

    Yes, I know juries can do whatever they want once a case is brought to trial and being tried by 12 is better than being carried by 6, but none of that justifies the use of force/deadly force.
     

    Renegade

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    I think in this case he was more than a witness, but was accused of helping dumb & dumber box AA in. So he was a participant.

    OK so I pulled up the report from last year and this was the source of why I said he was a participant:

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    Renegade

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    Okay you disagree, I get it, just my opinion, I'm dropping it.

    Your opinion seems to be based on an incorrect set of "facts". Folks here are just trying to help you form a more informed opinion based on correct facts.

    No different than if it was your opinion KR was guilty because he "brought a gun across state lines." That is an incorrect "fact" too.
     

    jrbfishn

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    I'm not a lawyer but if someone tries to take my gun, it's him or me. Okay does that answer your question?
    So.....if three guys with guns hunt YOU down, you have No right to fight back.....

    At the time all this took place, the only crime to even maybe be shown is trespass. There is no evidence he even tried to steal anything let alone had committed any other crimes. Just "suspicion".

    Has anyone seen an arrest record for Arbery? So far, I have not heard of one.


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    Renegade

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    So.....if three guys with guns hunt YOU down, you have No right to fight back.....

    At the time all this took place, the only crime to even maybe be shown is trespass. There is no evidence he even tried to steal anything let alone had committed any other crimes. Just "suspicion".

    Has anyone seen an arrest record for Arbery? So far, I have not heard of one.


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    Recall on day of shooting, they saw him in street not house so they were not even chasing a trespasser. Judge made point citizen arrest has be crime in progress, not crime you saw different day

    arbery was on probation for bringing gun to school and stealing tv from store
     

    benenglish

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    Here is a pretty good report on "the rest of the story".
    Thank you very much for helping me find yet another web site I can ignore. After reading that entire article while holding out hope for some rational analysis and being completely disappointed, I now know to never to waste any time there again.
     

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