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  • Sasquatch

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    and that is exactly what happened

    Chad(aka dead guy) closed the distance even grabbing the gun at one point to keep it pointed away and Kyle(shooter) moved back when he could for the shot

    Viewing the video from inside the house - it looks like Chad kind of swung Kyle a bit - and Kyle was able to maintain balance, take a shooting stance, and fire the deadly shots.
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    toddnjoyce

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    …Tactically, I'd say he lost the encounter when a firearm was presented. The correct tactical decision would've been a withdrawal until the police arrived…
    I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

    My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
     

    A1Oni

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    people should really not get into ego battles, or go for people's guns during said ego battle. live like an idiot, die like an idiot.
    people will say bad shoot, but he gave express warning multiple times to leave and kick rocks before the dude in the green shirt tried to be billy badass and ended up in a pine box like the moron he was. just my 2 cents on this whole thing.
     

    Axxe55

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    I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

    My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
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    Renegade

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    I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

    My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.

    When he forgot what his mission objective was, he was done.
     

    Sam7sf

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    I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

    My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
    I can see where both of you are right. It’s important to understand the situation your in and the mentality of those you’re talking with. If you have a guy who’s dumb enough to solve a verbal altercation that doesn’t meet the requirements of deadly force but comes back with a gun in what would then otherwise be a trespassing case, why would I trust him to me smart enough for this to end well? Zods logic might be the most sound and less risky.
     

    Sam7sf

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    Sometimes, doing the smart thing, some might not consider the brave, or cool thing to do, but it usually works in your favor in the end. Usually.
    It reminds me of casino fights. The crowd gets angry, drunk and macho. The fighters who use their training keep cool.

    If I’m boxing with a conservative opponent for example, and I go to the center of the ring to shake it off and get my second wind, how many May view it as none manly? Same in any fight. Being chill and controlling your emotions has often been why I could survive from someone who can physically out class me.

    I see no difference in using guns to defend myself. We need to try and make good choices and sometimes bad guys force muscle memory and don’t allow us to walk away.
     

    Axxe55

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    It reminds me of casino fights. The crowd gets angry, drunk and macho. The fighters who use their training keep cool.

    If I’m boxing with a conservative opponent for example, and I go to the center of the ring to shake it off and get my second wind, how many May view it as none manly? Same in any fight. Being chill and controlling your emotions has often been why I could survive from someone who can physically out class me.

    I see no difference in using guns to defend myself. We need to try and make good choices and sometimes bad guys force muscle memory and don’t allow us to walk away.
    IMO, a gun is brought into a situation when all other options have failed, or it is the last option available. It should never be the first option to use, except in some situations.

    IMO, there was no need for a weapon, especially a gun to be brought into a verbal altercation.

    Personally, I'm seeing fault of both men in this situation. The father had every right to be angry, and to be there to pick up his child as ordered by the court as to visitation. His ex-wife was jerking him around and had several times prior if my understanding is correct from what I read.

    The BF? Who knows what lies or nonsense the ex-wife was feeding him about her ex-husband. So I can see him operating under false assumptions about the father.

    IF I were sitting on a jury right now, knowing as much as I know at this point, it would be very difficult to determine a verdict. Bad choices or doing stupid things doesn't always mean criminal intent. IF the BF is charged, and depending on future evidence at trial, and it depends on exactly what charges are files against him. I can't say I'd find him guilty, or not guilty at this point.

    Right now, still don't think all the details are being made public yet.
     

    Renegade

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    Tax story us almost 5 years old.

    Banker story is a year older.

    Just sayin.

    And the other 2 are 12 and 15 years old.

    I guess I just saw humor in the fact that had Chad wrestled the gun away successfully, he would have committed a felony of Felon In Possession. Looked into the others, and it is non-stop train wreck. Not mentioned yet, but Judge was appointed without zero trial experience.
     

    candcallen

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    And the other 2 are 12 and 15 years old.

    I guess I just saw humor in the fact that had Chad wrestled the gun away successfully, he would have committed a felony of Felon In Possession. Looked into the others, and it is non-stop train wreck. Not mentioned yet, but Judge was appointed without zero trial experience.
    The irony is not lost upon me.

    We just voted for a constitutional amendment to stop the judge patronage bullshit.
     

    tonelar

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    2nd biggest error : treating firearm as a talisman
    Biggest error: trying to take a gun from someone else
     

    kenboyles72

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    There was a whole lot of stupid going on, the shot might have been morally wrong, but not legally wrong. Once the occupant of the residence told the other guy to leave, he should have done so. While it was a bad decision to bring a firearm into the situation, it's is not against the law. Blue shirt guy was verbally abusive, which could have gone another direction. But still, black shirt guy has the right to defend his house. There's a whole lot of would've, could've, should've going on in this thread, but in the end, black shirt was within his legal rights. Everyone will have their own opinions about what happened or should have happened, but that's what it is, just opinions. As messed up as it is, black shirt was within his rights and as soon as blue shirt went for the firearm, that was clear cause for a defensive shooting.
     

    mad88minute

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    Everyone will have their own opinions about what happened or should have happened, but that's what it is, just opinions.

    The idea of being judged by a jury scares me to death. Opinions can carry from one extreme to the other.

    I have a coworker that doesn't understand why Rittenhouse isn't behind bars. " He shot 2 people" is all he could say. " And he had a gun".

    I had a friend who owned a company. He was facing a major lawsuit. His insurance was offering a settlement, the building and general contractors insurance were also offering $$$. She had a case, but pushed it for a bigger settlement. I'll always remember his description or looking at this jury of idiots hoping they could even comprehend what was happening, let alone understand that the 3 million settlement already offered was more than fair.

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    Sam7sf

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    The idea of being judged by a jury scares me to death. Opinions can carry from one extreme to the other.

    I have a coworker that doesn't understand why Rittenhouse isn't behind bars. " He shot 2 people" is all he could say. " And he had a gun".

    I had a friend who owned a company. He was facing a major lawsuit. His insurance was offering a settlement, the building and general contractors insurance were also offering $$$. She had a case, but pushed it for a bigger settlement. I'll always remember his description or looking at this jury of idiots hoping they could even comprehend what was happening, let alone understand that the 3 million settlement already offered was more than fair.

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    Clear difference between Kyle and the retard in lubbock. Kyle handled himself great.

    People should try to be on their best behavior and not get into a pissing contest so when or if that day comes you’re odds of walking away from charges are great.

    Simple logic.
     
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