Selling an AR with an unserialized lower? Any problems?

[Coop's Dad]

Are there any legal issues with selling an AR-15 with an unserialized lower receiver? I know that you're prohibited for finishing an 80% with the intent to sell it. But what about if you built an AR from an 80 and just fell out of love with it?

I had an 80% that I completed and ended up building it as a .350 Legend carbine a few years ago. It's a good shooter but it pretty much duplicates what my 300 Blackout does, so I'm thinking on selling it. I don't know whether to sell it with the unserialized lower or swap the LPK and stock with the 300 BO? I really like the trigger and stock on the 300 BO, so I'd have to swap EVERYTHING to sell the 350 with a serialized lower.

Thanks!

 

[BeatTheTunaUp]

screwed the pooch.

 

[Coop's Dad]

You can't sell it.

Decided to sell? Serialize it first.

Serial numbers became a requirement on firearms in 1968 with the passing of the Gun Control Act. Any homemade AR-15 or firearm that is sold or transferred will be subject to the same regulations and requirements that govern the sale and purchase of a manufactured firearm from a dealer. You’ll need to conduct a background check, execute an FFL transfer, and your home-built AR-15 will need a serial number.

Are you in California or recently move to Texas from California? You don't need conduct a background check or use an FFL to sell any legal firearm in Texas. I've bought quite a few guns in Texas without going through a background check or using an FFL- including buying a handgun from another person using the lobby of a police department as the "safe place" requested by the seller.

Also, I did a little specific digging regarding the sale of an unserialized firearm. The GCA of 1968 allows a person to manufacture a homemade firearm for his personal use as long as it is not a regulated weapon (machine gun, SBR, etc.) without any serial numbers. The GCA does NOT require the maker to obtain a license as a manufacturer or serialize the firearm if he later decides to transfer the firearm, so long as it was not made with the intent to sell it or transfer it.

Texas's laws are silent on transfer of an unserialized firearm.

I guess I could've answered my own question with 10 minutes of internetting.

 

[V-Tach]

Be sure to get a BOS ..........

 

[Renegade]

Are there any legal issues with selling an AR-15 with an unserialized lower receiver? I know that you're prohibited for finishing an 80% with the intent to sell it. But what about if you built an AR from an 80 and just fell out of love with it?

I had an 80% that I completed and ended up building it as a .350 Legend carbine a few years ago. It's a good shooter but it pretty much duplicates what my 300 Blackout does, so I'm thinking on selling it. I don't know whether to sell it with the unserialized lower or swap the LPK and stock with the 300 BO? I really like the trigger and stock on the 300 BO, so I'd have to swap EVERYTHING to sell the 350 with a serialized lower.

Thanks!

No issues. Sell away.

 

[Renegade]

You can't sell it.

Decided to sell? Serialize it first.

Serial numbers became a requirement on firearms in 1968 with the passing of the Gun Control Act. Any homemade AR-15 or firearm that is sold or transferred will be subject to the same regulations and requirements that govern the sale and purchase of a manufactured firearm from a dealer. You’ll need to conduct a background check, execute an FFL transfer, and your home-built AR-15 will need a serial number.

Ignore this 100% incorrect post completely.

 

[baboon]

Use Slick Willy's Gay's in the Military motto.

 

[cycleguy2300]

You can't sell it.

Decided to sell? Serialize it first.

Serial numbers became a requirement on firearms in 1968 with the passing of the Gun Control Act. Any homemade AR-15 or firearm that is sold or transferred will be subject to the same regulations and requirements that govern the sale and purchase of a manufactured firearm from a dealer. You’ll need to conduct a background check, execute an FFL transfer, and your home-built AR-15 will need a serial number.

That's just laughable....

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[cycleguy2300]

Are there any legal issues with selling an AR-15 with an unserialized lower receiver? I know that you're prohibited for finishing an 80% with the intent to sell it. But what about if you built an AR from an 80 and just fell out of love with it?

I had an 80% that I completed and ended up building it as a .350 Legend carbine a few years ago. It's a good shooter but it pretty much duplicates what my 300 Blackout does, so I'm thinking on selling it. I don't know whether to sell it with the unserialized lower or swap the LPK and stock with the 300 BO? I really like the trigger and stock on the 300 BO, so I'd have to swap EVERYTHING to sell the 350 with a serialized lower.

Thanks!

How much you looking to get?

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[Coop's Dad]

How much you looking to get?

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I'm not sure; I need to see what I have in it. I killed a 6 point buck this last season and a couple of pigs earlier with it but I feel like it's just too similar to my 300 BO which I handload for. I don't want to buy another assortment of dies, powder and projectiles, lol.

 

[GeorgeS]

Sell the upper separately.

Keep the lower for now; something else may intrigue you. If not, sell it quietly. The Feds frown on sale of completed 80% firearms.

You could have a serial number engraved on it if this preys on your mind - suggestions like FJB2024, TRUMP2024, etc.

 

[BeatTheTunaUp]

So I just copy pasted the first thing I saw. My bad. So it boils down to intent. Good luck with that with the current aft. I wouldn't sell it. Lowers are cheap. Is it worth the possible hassle?

 

[Sam Colt]

So I just copy pasted the first thing I saw. My bad. So it boils down to intent. Good luck with that with the current aft. I wouldn't sell it. Lowers are cheap. Is it worth the possible hassle?

What possible hassle?

 

[cycleguy2300]

What possible hassle?

I can see hassle from a buyer or on some classifieds for not having a serial number.

I personally would keep the lower and just swap uppers for what strikes your fancy.

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[Renegade]

So I just copy pasted the first thing I saw. My bad. So it boils down to intent. Good luck with that with the current aft. I wouldn't sell it. Lowers are cheap. Is it worth the possible hassle?

Just stop.

Everything you post is wrong.

 

[Renegade]

I can see hassle from a buyer or on some classifieds for not having a serial number.

I personally would keep the lower and just swap uppers for what strikes your fancy.

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Tell buyer to **** off then.

I myself would not sell an 80%->100%, they are going to be banned from MFG someday, so I would rather have it and hope is grandfathered. It is a $50 lower at the end of the day and not worth much.

 

[Axxe55]

A firearm receiver, which under US law is most often the part legally considered to be a "firearm," can be completed from raw material, an "unfinished receiver," or a so-called "80% receiver," the last of these being a non-legal term the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, or ATF, does not recognize.[9] While some states have passed laws restricting the creation of privately made firearms, in most states unfinished receivers are sold without the requirement of federal or state background checks.[10] Finishing work on these receivers may be performed with machine tools, the common drill press, or hand-held tools like the Dremel.[11][12] Companies sell kits that include drill bits, stencils, and jigs to aid the process, but proficiency with tools is usually required

 

[bbbass]

My understanding is that the ATF is trying to get policy changed on serializing 80%>100% sales. In the meantime, I think they throw up enough confetti to make targeting confusing.

 

[Axxe55]

My understanding is that the ATF is trying to get policy changed on serializing 80%>100% sales. In the meantime, I think they throw up enough confetti to make targeting confusing.

If that were to happen, AR15 lowers would not be the only thing on the list being subject to be serialized.

 

[G O B]

There are a metric shit ton of pre '68 unserialized gums still around.
Newly made firearms you can sell up to 5 a year IF it is not "A BUISNESS".