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    Brady Campaign: NRA Failed to Deliver 'Gun Voters'

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    Tuesday night, the Brady Campaign issued a statement even before Sen. Barack Obama was declared president-elect, saying the political environment is better than it’s been in years for “progress on gun violence prevention.”
    The NRA spent millions on ads during the campaign, warning that Sen. Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in American history.
    But according to the Brady Campaign, the NRA failed to deliver its “supposed block of single-issue voters” in Tuesday’s election. According to exit polls, the economy took precedence for many voters.
    "America should take notice that reasonable policies on guns are carrying the day," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, which endorsed the Obama-Biden ticket.
    The Brady Campaign says Obama “consistently supported common sense gun laws in the U.S. Senate and in the Illinois State Senate. Senator Biden not only has supported, but also has been a leader for strong gun laws throughout his career in the U.S. Senate.”
    Not only did Obama win the presidency, but NRA-endorsed senators lost their elections in North Carolina, New Hampshire and New Mexico, the Brady Campaign noted.
    Brady Campaign officials said it appears that the June Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller may be starting to have an impact on political races -- “with the gun lobby failing to convince law-abiding gun owners that an Obama-Biden Administration would infringe on anyone's basic Constitutional rights.”
    "The gun issue has clearly lost its status as a 'wedge' issue in most places and most races," Helmke said.
    The NRA, in a brief statement on its Web site, said Obama’s presidency will be disastrous for the firearms industry.
    ”Just look at a couple of the things Obama has proposed: a 500 percent increase on excise taxes for guns and ammunition, and a ban on gun stores within five miles of a school or a park,” said the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre.
    “Those two measures wouldn't just decimate the firearms industry, they would kill it. That, in turn, would have a drastic effect on our military, because the same companies that sell guns to civilians are also the ones selling guns to the government. I wonder how Obama would feel about a multi-billion dollar bailout of the firearms industry, because that's what just two of his proposals would require.”
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    I can't stand how they so blatantly lie and talk themselves up. Considering how lawsuit crazy the NRA has been within the past few years, I'd say the NRA still has plenty of fight left in it to at least provide some sort of resistance to these assholes.
     

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    The NRA seems to make some noise to still show what side they're on. But they don't really keep going after the initial volley. That's getting a bit old.

    For such a large amassed group that is well funded, they don't have quite the impact these anti groups have.

    What's the deal?
     

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    I believe that we would have gun laws like Canada if it hadn't been for the efforts from the NRA over the past 100 years.
     

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    What's the deal?

    The deal is that, if there is one thing the liberals are good at, it is social networking. This is something our side needs to really improve on. I've discussed this with others and many agree with me, though some might get bent out of shape with what I'm about to say. Many of the gun rights organizations out there, and gun rights activist groups, and other gun related groups seem to be run by an older crowd that just is not in tune with the modern social networking and modern capabilities of reaching people. I won't name names. We really, REALLY need to get away from this monthly newsletter style activism and start expanding things in the same style as the libs go about it. The internet, blogs, video sites (Youtube, etc)......all of these modern forms of media give us some massive potential, though so far we haven't really seen it used en masse in quite the same manner as the libs. See, with the libs, they so heavily saturate these forms of media that it reaches a massive audience, and because they play on people's emotion and natural good intentions, they are able to expand their demographic at a nearly exponential rate. We need to modernize our outreach to the community, or we are going to get lost in the stone age, completely surpassed in capability by the libs, and eventually our demographic will decline to the point where it's a non-issue.
     

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    The deal is that, if there is one thing the liberals are good at, it is social networking. This is something our side needs to really improve on. I've discussed this with others and many agree with me, though some might get bent out of shape with what I'm about to say. Many of the gun rights organizations out there, and gun rights activist groups, and other gun related groups seem to be run by an older crowd that just is not in tune with the modern social networking and modern capabilities of reaching people. I won't name names. We really, REALLY need to get away from this monthly newsletter style activism and start expanding things in the same style as the libs go about it. The internet, blogs, video sites (Youtube, etc)......all of these modern forms of media give us some massive potential, though so far we haven't really seen it used en masse in quite the same manner as the libs. See, with the libs, they so heavily saturate these forms of media that it reaches a massive audience, and because they play on people's emotion and natural good intentions, they are able to expand their demographic at a nearly exponential rate. We need to modernize our outreach to the community, or we are going to get lost in the stone age, completely surpassed in capability by the libs, and eventually our demographic will decline to the point where it's a non-issue.


    I think so. I haven't studied the NRA too much but they've been a household name for years. Frankly they sound to me like 'Harley' of the gun world. Lots of noise, great big following, but for the money you spend, you could ride some other great rides x 3.


    Someone said in another post so plain but true, Education is what matters. We need to start educating the random masses on guns. Get them involved and active in guns so that they're a much solid defense to these anti guns groups. We need to start turning the tide before the boats starts sailing through.
     

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    I think so. I haven't studied the NRA too much but they've been a household name for years. Frankly they sound to me like 'Harley' of the gun world. Lots of noise, great big following, but for the money you spend, you could ride some other great rides x 3.

    You could, but it wouldn't be a 'Harley'. When I rode a Shadow, everybody asked me if it was a Harley. The non-motorcycle masses know the name 'Harley', and anything that looks like a Harley is a Harley to them; that is, until they find out it isn't. Then, their response is, "Eh... poser..."

    I think the same goes for the NRA. Name recognition is everything. And while the NRA may not do things quite the way you want them to, they have the momentum, the numbers and the name recognition to get things done more effectively than any other pro-gun organization.
     

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    I think the same goes for the NRA. Name recognition is everything. And while the NRA may not do things quite the way you want them to, they have the momentum, the numbers and the name recognition to get things done more effectively than any other pro-gun organization.

    They do, I agree. Though, I think it says a lot about how ineffective their marketing can be when you realize that there are approximately 4 million members of the NRA out of roughly 80 MILLION gun owners in this country, meaning they've only managed to attract roughly 5% of gun owners. 4 million is a lot of people, but they could do much better than that. If we were as single-minded as the Dems can be, we could have 90%+ of gun owners join the NRA, GOA, SAF, JPFO, and any other number of organizations. They would be organizations with the largest membership of any. Where the Dems would wield the power of infantile whining and emotion, WE would wield a veritable "sledgehammer" worth of power with which to destroy our opponents. Think about it, 70+ million people all working for the same exact thing, all voting the same exact way, etc.
     

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    Think about it, 70+ million people all working for the same exact thing, all voting the same exact way, etc.

    I completely agree. In my opinion, the NRA spends way too much time and money preaching to the choir. They're marketing efforts lack the aggressiveness they desperately need. And any positive message they manage to get out is quickly stifled by the deafening negative message being blasted by the many anti-gun organizations.
     

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    You could, but it wouldn't be a 'Harley'. When I rode a Shadow, everybody asked me if it was a Harley. The non-motorcycle masses know the name 'Harley', and anything that looks like a Harley is a Harley to them; that is, until they find out it isn't. Then, their response is, "Eh... poser..."

    I think the same goes for the NRA. Name recognition is everything. And while the NRA may not do things quite the way you want them to, they have the momentum, the numbers and the name recognition to get things done more effectively than any other pro-gun organization.




    I don't and won't ride Harleys, or cruisers really, so I guess I can draw that line :p As for 'the standard' the general population sets for what's 'it' (comparing everything to Harley), I was never much for conforming. I have plenty of friends and family who do ride Harleys and that's ok. But because I don't ride a Harley doesn't mean I don't ride.


    I wrote the reply above last night after a few beers and several boxes of Sake at a JPN friend's place. So 'Professor Shorts' was running around the dungeon lol



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    I don't and won't ride Harleys, or cruisers really, so I guess I can draw that line :p As for 'the standard' the general population sets for what's 'it' (comparing everything to Harley), I was never much for conforming. I have plenty of friends and family who do ride Harleys and that's ok. But because I don't ride a Harley doesn't mean I don't ride.

    Regardless of whether or not you are prone to conform, the rest of the world generally does, to some extent. People are guilty of generalizing and forming stereotypes, etc. That's essentially what I'm talking about. The left has created a stereotype of gun owners, NRA members and the NRA. By the same token, the NRA has the largest, most credible following of any pro-gun activist organization. The letters NRA evoke certain feelings in most people; some positive, some negative. Same with Harley. Not too many people get excited over a Honda Shadow or a Victory, but people tend to salivate over a Harley, regardless of how crappy it might be. Good or bad, it's just the way it is.

    Side note: I don't really consider owning a Harley as conforming. I love Harleys. I love the way they look and the way they sound. Until very recently, that was something that wasn't duplicated with any other brand. They got close, but not quite. I've bought all of my used and buy my parts off Ebay, so I'm not one of those who has tons of money invested in his high-maintenance bike.
     

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    I think you missed my point - "I ride, not on a Harley, but I still ride" ;)

    If I must explain the analogy - "I support 2A, not with the NRA, but other pro 2A organizations".

    As you said, you love how a particular brand looks and sounds, as do I. Because I said I don't like Harleys shouldn't mean for you to take it as a criticism of you or Harleys. Just means I'm acknowledging we like different particulars for the same type of activity.


    Since we both spend our money as we see fit, I'm choosing not to send NRA any of my money until I'm comfortable with the way they do their work. Until then, I'll send my money elsewhere or hang onto it and go about my 2A support in other roles. I don't need to give my money to the NRA and nor will I be bullied into it. I'll give my money freely to the NRA when I'm satisfied with their methods.
     

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    I think you missed my point - "I ride, not on a Harley, but I still ride" ;)

    If I must explain the analogy - "I support 2A, not with the NRA, but other pro 2A organizations".

    As you said, you love how a particular brand looks and sounds, as do I. Because I said I don't like Harleys shouldn't mean for you to take it as a criticism of you or Harleys. Just means I'm acknowledging we like different things for the same type of activity.

    I completely understood your point. And while other organizations are effective at what they do, the NRA is a household name. I did not take your comments as criticism of Harleys; and if I did, I would care. There's no accounting for taste!
     

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    I agree, they are a household name. But they do have existing stereotypes attached as well. And I do agree with your earlier statement that they need to do a better job of circulating their message in updated dynamic formats and delivery methods. That is the issue I have the NRA.

    And I don't know if I'm going out on a limb by saying this but, like the Republican party, they need to modernize and stop being the party of 'old white guys'...with all due respect to any 'old white guys' that may take offense - I mean none! Sticking to a game plan and mission is fine, that's how to achieve goals. There need to be a realization of the different sources of support and a smarter, smoother spirit of cooperation with those different sources. Who knows, maybe that's way out of the NRAs comfort zone. But they need to "expand coverage".

    As I said, I haven't done too much research. But if for the most part I'm "uninformed" about the NRA and these are the opinions and conclusions I draw about them, then what does a non-gun person think?


    I don't know, maybe I'm talking out my ear - it has been known to happen
     
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