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  • GasGuzzler

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    This assumes that the majority of parents can be good teachers and home school. Bad assumption. Very bad assumption.

    No to me that means you pay to send your kid to school, the best you can afford ... using the tax money you save. Those without kids in school no longer pay for others to go to school.
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    Sasquatch

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    No to me that means you pay to send your kid to school, the best you can afford ... using the tax money you save. Those without kids in school no longer pay for others to go to school.

    Goes back to the argument though, that funding public education is necessary because you're preparing young people for adulthood, which is a benefit to all, not just to the parents. You'll never see the elimination of taxation for schools from those who don't have school aged kids simply because of that.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Goes back to the argument though, that funding public education is necessary because you're preparing young people for adulthood….
    Public education does not prepare for adulthood. If it did the curriculum, organization, and institutions would be much different.

    Much as SCOTUS looks to the founders on law, we can do the same with public education. Here is Thomas Jefferson’s thoughts.
    This bill proposes to lay off every county into small districts of five or six miles square, called hundreds, and in each of them to establish a school for teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic. The tutor to be supported by the hundred, and every person in it entitled to send their children three years gratis, and as much longer as they please, paying for it. These schools to be under a visitor [i.e., superintendent], who is annually to choose the boy of best genius in the school, of those whose parents are too poor to give them further education, and to send him forward to one of the grammar schools [high schools, in effect] of which twenty are proposed to be erected in different parts of [Virginia], for teaching Greek, Latin, geography, and the higher branches of numerical arithmetic. Of the boys thus sent in any one year, trial is to be made at the grammar schools one or two years, and the best genius of the whole selected, and continued six years, and the residue dismissed. By this means twenty of the best geniuses will be raked from the rubbish annually, and be instructed, at the public expence, so far as the grammar schools go.

    That, in no conceivable way, ideates a taxpayer funded universal education system beyond providing basic literacy.
     

    Sasquatch

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    Public education does not prepare for adulthood. If it did the curriculum, organization, and institutions would be much different.

    Much as SCOTUS looks to the founders on law, we can do the same with public education. Here is Thomas Jefferson’s thoughts.
    This bill proposes to lay off every county into small districts of five or six miles square, called hundreds, and in each of them to establish a school for teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic. The tutor to be supported by the hundred, and every person in it entitled to send their children three years gratis, and as much longer as they please, paying for it. These schools to be under a visitor [i.e., superintendent], who is annually to choose the boy of best genius in the school, of those whose parents are too poor to give them further education, and to send him forward to one of the grammar schools [high schools, in effect] of which twenty are proposed to be erected in different parts of [Virginia], for teaching Greek, Latin, geography, and the higher branches of numerical arithmetic. Of the boys thus sent in any one year, trial is to be made at the grammar schools one or two years, and the best genius of the whole selected, and continued six years, and the residue dismissed. By this means twenty of the best geniuses will be raked from the rubbish annually, and be instructed, at the public expence, so far as the grammar schools go.

    That, in no conceivable way, ideates a taxpayer funded universal education system beyond providing basic literacy.


    Interacting with the general public - I would say that the bulk of public school graduates would qualify for "basic literacy" but many just barely. Its gotten worse with every progressive generation of students. We weren't allowed calculators for basic math. Kids today can have their damn smart phones with them all the time and cannot write in a complete sentence, or do very basic multiplication and division, some can't even add.
     

    TheDan

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    Teachers are by and large some of the most entitlted people I've ever met.
    QFT

    Public school is a glorified daycare so the middle class and poor can goto work, consume, and pay taxes. The quality of instruction is laughable. All they can teach you is to conform to the state, and these days that includes being woke and gay.

    Teachers wanting more money reminds me of fast food workers saying they deserve more money.
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    oldag

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    No to me that means you pay to send your kid to school, the best you can afford ... using the tax money you save. Those without kids in school no longer pay for others to go to school.
    A parent will pay the same total money regardless.

    Do away with school taxes, save $60k in taxes. But school has to be funded. So guess what you will pay in tuition while your kid is in school - $60k. {Just throwing out a figure for the example.}

    Either way, you will be out the same bucks.
     

    Sam7sf

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    I'd quit in a heartbeat. My back patio is directly across from an elementary school entrance from the playground. You could throw a rock and hit the building from my patio. Today is first day of school and if had to sing/rhyme as the teachers are constantly doing today...I'd go nuts. The "back against the wall and stand straight and tall" song when getting ready to go inside. Then the singing of next steps - getting a snack, sitting down and other steps. Teachers must be on drugs to sound that happy a full day!
    Sounds like a Disney movie. That sucks.
     

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    Throughout America's modern history, teaching has always been a low paying job, just as being a doctor or lawyer has been a high paying one. As far as I'm concerned, the actual tasks of teaching hasn't changed all that much, nevermind the political agendas and societal changes. If they expect to promote their salaries to to the upper levels, their job duties also needs to change drastically. And they need to produce results, just like other people in the private sector.
     

    Wudidiz

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    I’m for doing away with K-12. Schools are entities meant to provide individuals with the necessary education to access good life opportunities through academic preparation and give them the tools to survive in society. We are doing a horrible job of that and I’m not blaming the teachers. They become pawns to a socialistic and perverse administration. The only positive outfall that I see is the social values gleaned from sports and they’re trying to screw that up too. The kids that I see coming out of the schools, including my honor role grandchildren, are almost illiterate. Add to that the endless battles to end the spreading of concepts normalizing perversion and socialism. Teach them the 3 R’s at home. School and associated costs probably exceed most mother‘s salaries.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    A parent will pay the same total money regardless.

    Do away with school taxes, save $60k in taxes. But school has to be funded. So guess what you will pay in tuition while your kid is in school - $60k. {Just throwing out a figure for the example.}

    Either way, you will be out the same bucks.

    No. Once your kid is done with school, you should be done paying. Today, we pay for a lifetime.

    My ISD collects more than half my tax bill. Neither of my kids ever used any of their services, nor will they ever as they were both in the workforce when we moved here. But I’ve paid them more than $20K over the last five years.
     

    Sasquatch

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    As short as attention spans of children are, especially today, schools should just focus on what @toddnjoyce quotes from Jefferson - reading, writing, arithmatic. Basic literacy (which is very lacking) and basic math.

    You could literally drop all other subjects and we'd be no worse off, probably better off. Kids can learn history, geography, etc as extracurricular interests / activities, or from private education. Public schools could be dramatically changed to focus solely on reading, writing, and basic math - addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. History can be gleaned by having them read history books or historical works of fiction as reading assignments and writing assignments likewise could be based on what they read. Two birds, one stone approach.
     

    SrsTwist

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    This assumes that the majority of parents can be good teachers and home school. Bad assumption. Very bad assumption.
    You seem to be assuming the parents will be teaching. In fact a lot of parents form teaching collectives and hire professional teachers. Also there's a bunch of good online courses for kids of all ages that require minimal input from parents. Most homeschoolers are using these.
     

    Brains

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    My daughter homeschools, primarily for athletics. She's a Texas Tech student, in their K12 program. Honestly considering it for my son as well. The quality of education is significantly higher when they're the ones driving it. Her lesson retention is higher, the actual understanding of the material is far better, and eliminating the hours wasted sitting in a classroom is obviously greatly beneficial.
     

    SrsTwist

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    If public schools were worth a damn, they'd prepare kids for life. They don't.

    Here's what they should teach IMO:

    • Critical thinking (including how people can be manipulated by the media & social media)
    • Basic reading, writing, math
    • Civics (how our government works, our Constitution & DoI, etc.)
    • Basic history (emphasis on how humanity has succeeded and screwed up in the past)
    • Home economics (how to set up a home budget, get a bank account, balance a checking account, properly manage credit, file a 1040EZ. etc.)
    • Domestic skills (basic cooking, how to do laundry, cleaning your home)
    • Digital literacy (how to use a smartphone, basic computer skills)
    • Job preparation (how to interview for a job, write a good resume, work ethic, workplace etiquette, etc.)
    • Parenting (what's involved in raising kids, etc.)
    • Anger management and conflict resolution

    These are the things you need to learn to live in our modern society. You'd be surprised how many young 'adults' are ignorant of so many of these things.

    Of course our public school system, with teacher's unions, wokester staff and politics, are probably beyond repair. Thus school choice and vouchers to provide real competition to public schools seems to be our best bet.
     

    oldag

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    No. Once your kid is done with school, you should be done paying. Today, we pay for a lifetime.

    My ISD collects more than half my tax bill. Neither of my kids ever used any of their services, nor will they ever as they were both in the workforce when we moved here. But I’ve paid them more than $20K over the last five years.
    Please read more carefully. I said the tuition while your kid is in school will cost the same as you will save in taxes. The total cost of the school will not change (not saying it should be as high as it is, just looking at it cynically). So the same overall amount of taxes/tuition has to be raised by the ISD. One way it is spread out over a long time (property taxes). The other way the same amount of dollars is concentrated in 12 years (only pay while your kid is in school).
     
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