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  • zackmars

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    He didn't capture the supposed spontaneous discharge on video. All the stuff he videos but that he didn't get on camera. Something could have been in the holster that actuated the trigger.
    Yup you're right. Its not a flawed design that has had multiple confirmed reports of "uncommanded discharges", it's just some guy faking it.


    99% of the time when someone says guns are dangerous, they are wrong.


    Thanks to sig and Taurus it's going to stay 99%

    Heres a tiktok of another one. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR4paJSG/

    There are multiple witnesses confirming both events, that nothing pulled to trigger, there were no converted holsters, there were no obstructions in the holsters
     

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    Yup you're right. Its not a flawed design that has had multiple confirmed reports of "uncommanded discharges", it's just some guy faking it.


    99% of the time when someone says guns are dangerous, they are wrong.


    Thanks to sig and Taurus it's going to stay 99%

    Heres a tiktok of another one. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR4paJSG/

    There are multiple witnesses confirming both events, that nothing pulled to trigger, there were no converted holsters, there were no obstructions in the holsters
    that video doesn’t show the ND, so we don’t know why it happened. Do you have any examples of ND’s with sigs where the pistol was examined and found to have been able to fire without the trigger being pulled?
     

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    that video doesn’t show the ND, so we don’t know why it happened. Do you have any examples of ND’s with sigs where the pistol was examined and found to have been able to fire without the trigger being pulled?

    Um, yeah? You are aware of sigs "upgrade", right?
     

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    The gun in the other video wasn’t dropped.
    Um, yeah? You are aware of sigs "upgrade", right?
    Yes. The issue there was that the gun being dropped would cause the trigger to be pulled, resulting in the gun firing. So we are still stuck on the fact that there are no documented cases that I’m aware of where an sig was found to be able to fire without the trigger being pulled. If someone else has an example of one, I’d love to see it.
     
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    Out of the 15 countries that adopted it only Canada reported 1 ND in their military as far as I'm aware. I'm suspect myself if this lawsuit has much weight since its all police and civilians. The LEO Trade-ins I've seen trickle back into the market are all lighter triggers with no manual safeties. I'd expect a pistol produced in such a buttfuckingly large quantity to have way more incidents if its really defective in design. Then news stories like this showing up at the same time as this lawsuit doesn't exactly help their case either.
     

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    Yup you're right. Its not a flawed design that has had multiple confirmed reports of "uncommanded discharges", it's just some guy faking it.
    Yup. Remember all those magically accelerating Audi 5000s and Toyotas and tipping over Explorers? They were literally all user input. And Pintos burst into flames a lot less frequently than Teslas.
     

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    Realize sig has been dealing with 320 safety issues for years now, dealing with guns from 2014 to yesterday.

    This isn't the only place where discussion is happening. There are some very good threads on pistol forum that detail various problems the design has.

    The videos and articles I've posted have been debated all over Reddit, Facebook, ar15.com, pistolforum, etc

    Sig has already had to not only redo the design for the military, but has had to issue an "upgrade" due to drop safety. The only other company that had a similar issue was honor guard and walther. However walther, despite having the striker drop, would not discharge.


    And many large agencies that use the 320, only allow specific SKU's that regular people can't buy. These specific SKU's have additional QC specified by the original agency
     

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    Out of the 15 countries that adopted it only Canada reported 1 ND in their military as far as I'm aware. I'm suspect myself if this lawsuit has much weight since its all police and civilians. The LEO Trade-ins I've seen trickle back into the market are all lighter triggers with no manual safeties. I'd expect a pistol produced in such a buttfuckingly large quantity to have way more incidents if its really defective in design. Then news stories like this showing up at the same time as this lawsuit doesn't exactly help their case either.
    The Canadian one was due to a modified 226 holster.


    The reason why you aren't seeing much in the way of military ND's is because thats not how the military does things, and guns sold to the military have different levels of QC than what you or i can buy
     

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    The gun in the other video wasn’t dropped.

    Yes. The issue there was that the gun being dropped would cause the trigger to be pulled, resulting in the gun firing. So we are still stuck on the fact that there are no documented cases that I’m aware of where an sig was found to be able to fire without the trigger being pulled. If someone else has an example of one, I’d love to see it.

    You asked, we answered.

    Here it is, again: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR4p96GN/

    There have been multiple instances of this happening, all confirmed by multiple people. Sig has something like 9 lawsuits going over this?
     

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    I'm not talking about the drop safety issue. I'm asking for a report where a 320 is sitting in a safe or nightstand and it fires. Someone reporting that they swear they didn't touch the trigger or it was safe in my purse, with all my other shit, and it just went off isn't the same situation. All the instances that I am aware of the gun is not just sitting without any outside contact.

    Is the trigger pull too light for a striker pistol? I can see how that could be argued. But the pistol just sitting without any outside action just firing is not what I have seen reported. I'm not a statistician but with the number of 320's out there I would think that one would have shot up a safe or nightstand by now if they just go off by themselves.
     

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    I'm not talking about the drop safety issue. I'm asking for a report where a 320 is sitting in a safe or nightstand and it fires. Someone reporting that they swear they didn't touch the trigger or it was safe in my purse, with all my other shit, and it just went off isn't the same situation. All the instances that I am aware of the gun is not just sitting without any outside contact.

    Is the trigger pull too light for a striker pistol? I can see how that could be argued. But the pistol just sitting without any outside action just firing is not what I have seen reported. I'm not a statistician but with the number of 320's out there I would think that one would have shot up a safe or nightstand by now if they just go off by themselves.
    It is a light trigger

    The trigger doesn't have a safety tab or hinge like glock/s&w

    The striker is fully tensioned

    The striker return spring has a pitifully low lifespan, meaning the striker can cause a slam fire.

    No, the gun won't just "go off" in a night stand. Yes it takes such harsh actions such as dropping the slide or holstering to get it to fire.

    But if your gun fires because you dropped the slide, it is a giant piece of shit. I've messed with semi auto pistols from the late 1890's that don't do that. And they didn't even know what a slide should look like back then
     

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    You asked, we answered.

    Here it is, again: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR4p96GN/

    There have been multiple instances of this happening, all confirmed by multiple people. Sig has something like 9 lawsuits going over this?
    That’s not an answer because we don’t know what the cause of the ND was. All we know is that there was an ND. That doesnt mean anything is wrong with the gun. The number of lawsuits don’t matter. People can file a lawsuit for anything.
     

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    Another individual who also had prior experience with firearms training, was shot in both legs by his own P320 when it was in the holster on Nov. 7, according to the lawsuit.

    At the time, he tossed a small wooden paddle onto a chair where his holstered pistol sat, the complaint states. Then, the paddle “incidentally” touched the pistol and it fired.

    Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269590051.html#storylink=cpy

    It seems like that's a gun problem, not a user problem. A holstered gun should not be able to fire under any circumstance.
     
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