Take that ATF!!!

[Deaf Smith]

Well a year ago I got an AR-15, APF-15, pistol in .300 BLK. 7 inch barrel and sharkfin brace.

So the ATF gives this 300 page rule... I notice that if it is 120 oz or more you have to go through some impossible stuff...

Well I put a regular buffer tube and an off set buis. Added a sling at the back under the tube.

Shoots very well with 110 gr M1 carbine slugs and 296 powder and it gives over 2100 fps.

To shoot it one grabs the barrel 'tube' and you thumb pushes forward against the front sight (and you might need a bit of padding on the back of the front sight!)

You also push forward on the pistol grip so the sling is tight. Cheek is on the buffer tube. Quite steady a hold folks!

Talking about 50 yard 3 inch groups standing leaning against a post. Good enough for deer inside the woods.

And get this... I took it apart and weighed all the components, INCLUDING the sling!!

117 oz!

Hahahahaha.... it is still a pistol! I don't even have to read all the "If's, and's, or but's" stuff. 'Judgment' starts at 120 oz and my gun don't weigh that!

But I'll not attach an arm brace... just to make sure!

 

[BigRed]

Damn.

I thought I would see some atf toad carrying its dead dog.

No offense intended towards the dog.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Oh, I also measured the 'length of pull'.. mine is 10 inches!

Tough nuts ATF!

 

[pronstar]

I’m not doing shit until the dust from several lawsuits are settled.
Methinks this rule will be kicked to the curb.

 

[candcallen]

Or alot of atftards will be getting metal enemas.

 

[Mills]

 

[Deaf Smith]

View attachment 369691

They can come! Meets all the criteria for a pistol. Weigh it, measure it, play with it for all I care.

 

[paknheat]

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[rotor]

Just for my curiosity, do you have a holster or do you keep it concealed in a gun bag? I always wondered how people carry these "handguns" openly in a "legal" manner. If you carry openly on a sling in public view isn't that illegal? Just asking for my lack of knowledge.

 

[red442joe]

Or alot of atftards will be getting metal enemas.

"Atftards"
LOLz, love it!
I read it as "aft-tards"
Same turds!

Joe

 

[red442joe]

They can come! Meets all the criteria for a pistol. Weigh it, measure it, play with it for all I care.

They will just lie.

Joe

 

[GeauxLSU]

Well a year ago I got an AR-15, APF-15, pistol in .300 BLK. 7 inch barrel and sharkfin brace.

View attachment 369607

So the ATF gives this 300 page rule... I notice that if it is 120 oz or more you have to go through some impossible stuff...

Well I put a regular buffer tube and an off set buis. Added a sling at the back under the tube.

Shoots very well with 110 gr M1 carbine slugs and 296 powder and it gives over 2100 fps.

To shoot it one grabs the barrel 'tube' and you thumb pushes forward against the front sight (and you might need a bit of padding on the back of the front sight!)

You also push forward on the pistol grip so the sling is tight. Cheek is on the buffer tube. Quite steady a hold folks!

Talking about 50 yard 3 inch groups standing leaning against a post. Good enough for deer inside the woods.

And get this... I took it apart and weighed all the components, INCLUDING the sling!!

117 oz!

Hahahahaha.... it is still a pistol! I don't even have to read all the "If's, and's, or but's" stuff. 'Judgment' starts at 120 oz and my gun don't weigh that!

But I'll not attach an arm brace... just to make sure!

Their scale reads 120.1 ounces.

Bummer for you. Enjoy your time away.

 

[TheDan]

I always wondered how people carry these "handguns" openly in a "legal" manner.

 

[BigRed]

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Sorry to disappoint.

No dogs or children to shoot here. No children to burn in their home.

 

[Axxe55]

phuck the atf and ihope they are reading this!

 

[Deaf Smith]

Their scale reads 120.1 ounces.

Bummer for you. Enjoy your time away.

Still won't matter as the length of pull is far below the 13.5 inches.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Still won't matter as the length of pull is far below the 13.5 inches.

I fear you have an incorrect understanding of the final rule. The weight and LOP criteria as hard and fast numbers went out the window. They are now saying a 7lb pistol is close enough to a 7.5lb rifle that, like horseshoes, hand grenades, and thermonuclear devices, AR pistols can indeed be close enough to a rifle to be a rifle.

“However, in response to comments pointing out that these lengths and weights were not necessarily dispositive of whether a firearm is intended to be fired from the shoulder, this rule considers the weight and length of a firearm equipped with a “brace” device against the weight and length of similarly designed rifles as a factor that can confirm whether a firearm, which has a rearward attachment that provides surface area for shouldering, is in fact a rifle.”

See pp 103 thru 105

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download

However if you feel strongly enough you can defend your interpretation of the final rule, more power to you.

 

[BigRed]

I fear you have an incorrect understanding of the final rule. The weight and LOP criteria as hard and fast numbers went out the window. They are now saying a 7lb pistol is close enough to a 7.5lb rifle that, like horseshoes, hand grenades, and thermonuclear devices, AR pistols can indeed be close enough to a rifle to be a rifle.

“However, in response to comments pointing out that these lengths and weights were not necessarily dispositive of whether a firearm is intended to be fired from the shoulder, this rule considers the weight and length of a firearm equipped with a “brace” device against the weight and length of similarly designed rifles as a factor that can confirm whether a firearm, which has a rearward attachment that provides surface area for shouldering, is in fact a rifle.”

See pp 103 thru 105

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download

However if you feel strongly enough you can defend your interpretation of the final rule, more power to you.

Yep.

Reminds me of April 19, 1775 when the "king's" men marched into town and demanded the townsfolk present their arms for a weighing.

Folks got in line to have their rifles approved by the king's men whom he sent out in nice uniforms to do what he would not do himself.

And then everybody went home and lived in freedom ever after.

 

[red442joe]

The gun community has more chicken littles and Ralphie haters than any other special interest group.
Geez, fudds eat nothing but their own...

Joe

 

[Deaf Smith]

I fear you have an incorrect understanding of the final rule. The weight and LOP criteria as hard and fast numbers went out the window. They are now saying a 7lb pistol is close enough to a 7.5lb rifle that, like horseshoes, hand grenades, and thermonuclear devices, AR pistols can indeed be close enough to a rifle to be a rifle.

“However, in response to comments pointing out that these lengths and weights were not necessarily dispositive of whether a firearm is intended to be fired from the shoulder, this rule considers the weight and length of a firearm equipped with a “brace” device against the weight and length of similarly designed rifles as a factor that can confirm whether a firearm, which has a rearward attachment that provides surface area for shouldering, is in fact a rifle.”

See pp 103 thru 105

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download

However if you feel strongly enough you can defend your interpretation of the final rule, more power to you.

But mine does not have a brace! So?