Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[seeker_two]

Read that Montana is refusing to cooperate with the ATF on this also.

Has Texas made a statement to that fact yet? I know a law is already in place, but has Abbott got the spine to enforce it?.....

Also, has BATFE made any distinction between a shoulderable brace and a rear extension that is too short to be shouldered yet can still be used for a cheek weld?

 

[oldag]

And
an extended AR-type pistol buffer tube, which is a longer buffer tube than the standard buffer tubes required for the operation of the firearm, or the inclusion of spacers that extend the length of pull, are also examples of the addition of material to the rear of a firearm that provides surface area for shouldering and extends the length of pull to effectuate shoulder fire.p64

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2023-01-31/pdf/2023-01001.pdf

Exactly - an extended buffer tube (which IIRC is defined as a buffer tube more than 6.5" in length).

 

[toddnjoyce]

Exactly - an extended buffer tube (which IIRC is defined as a buffer tube more than 6.5" in length).

Context is important. ATF isn’t saying a 6.5 buffer tube defines a pistol. ATF says a 6.5 buffer tube by itself might not be a rifle.

But if you want to trust the government, I know of some riverfront property in Ohio for sale.

 

[oldag]

Context is important. ATF isn’t saying a 6.5 buffer tube defines a pistol. ATF says a 6.5 buffer tube by itself might not be a rifle.

But if you want to trust the government, I know of some riverfront property in Ohio for sale.

And what have I ever said that led you to believe I trust the government?

I read it differently. You might be right. Or not. Or it may not matter because they may do whatever they want regardless.

No need to get snide.

 

[toddnjoyce]

And what have I ever said that led you to believe I trust the government?

I read it differently. You might be right. Or not. Or it may not matter because they may do whatever they want regardless.

No need to get snide.

I’m not being snide.

A mil spec buffer tube is 7.25” long, an A5 is 7.75” long. There is no such standardized dimension for a “pistol” buffer tube. I’ve seen some as short as 5”, and the 6.5” tube is inly an inch less than the A5 and there are 6.5” tubes that are manufactured with the six-position stop (i.e., it’s not concentric and is also designed to accept the mil-spec stock. I could run a aero precision 6.5” six position buffer tube on my 16” barrel rifle and still be >26” OAL.

ATF went to great pains to state it’s the firearm, not the accessory that’s being regulated and then went even further and said there’s so many variables that their previous interpretation of what a pistol is was wrong and all those pistols are now SBRs, hence the tax deferred stamp.

 

[oldag]

I’m not being snide.

"But if you want to trust the government, I know of some riverfront property in Ohio for sale."

 

[DasGood]

This is the best example of throwing shit against a wall and see what sticks. This regime needs to be out of office sooner rather than later.

 

[RoundRockRed]

This legislation isn't going anywhere. The Armed Scholar Youtube channel does a good job of tracking the opposition to the ATFs rules.
With congress members throwing their support behind the current lawsuits, and the supreme court's 2A friendly stand lately, the brace rule is all but dead.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

This legislation isn't going anywhere. The Armed Scholar Youtube channel does a good job of tracking the opposition to the ATFs rules.
With congress members throwing their support behind the current lawsuits, and the supreme court's 2A friendly stand lately, the brace rule is all but dead.

Reminds me of a line from Band of Brothers: "Don't get hit in the face when Gerry throws in the towel".

 

[DougC]

Has Texas made a statement to that fact yet? I know a law is already in place, but has Abbott got the spine to enforce it?.....

Also, has BATFE made any distinction between a shoulderable brace and a rear extension that is too short to be shouldered yet can still be used for a cheek weld?

Yes, from the Red State blog;
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has filed for an injunction to prevent a rule put into place by Biden’s lawless Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) criminalizing the pistol brace.

 

[oldag]

Deadline getting closer. Would like to see an injunction granted.

 

[GeorgeS]

Why worry? If you have a braced pistol, just remove the brace if you're fearful.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Removing the brace doesn't make it legal.

 

[Steve In Texas]

Removing the brace doesn't make it legal.

Why worry? If you have a braced pistol, just remove the brace if you're fearful.

Both positions can be found and supported in the proposed BATF position and supporting documents. That may be the largest reason to either void or stay the proposal until we get specifics from the legislature.

 

[EZ-E]

Removing the brace doesn't make it legal.

Just curious why you say that?

The ATF told gun shops with AR pistols with braces in inventory to remove the brace to be in compliance. The brace can be still be purchased, just on a separate purchase.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Just curious why you say that?

The ATF told gun shops with AR pistols with braces in inventory to remove the brace to be in compliance. The brace can be still be purchased, just on a separate purchase.

Only because I asked that question somewhere previously in the thread and that is what I was told.

 

[RoundRockRed]

There is a score card that virtually all

Just curious why you say that?

The ATF told gun shops with AR pistols with braces in inventory to remove the brace to be in compliance. The brace can be still be purchased, just on a separate purchase.

There is a checklist to determine if a pistol is a SBR, and almost all "large format" pistols will fail (by design). Just removing the brace isn't enough to prevent it from being considered a SBR, it's only one of the considerations. There will be an injunction on this. The BATFE cannot create law out of thin air.

 

[Byrd666]

There is a score card that virtually all

There is a checklist to determine if a pistol is a SBR, and almost all "large format" pistols will fail (by design). Just removing the brace isn't enough to prevent it from being considered a SBR, it's only one of the considerations. There will be an injunction on this. The BATFE cannot create law out of thin air.

Incorrect. The worksheet for a braced pistol is not in play. And what EZ-E said is correct, for dealers. And no, BATFE isn't supposed to be able to make law, but here we are...

 

[TheMailMan]

Removing the brace doesn't make it legal.

Yes it does. It's in the FAQ. Permanently remove the brace.

 

[TheMailMan]

Only because I asked that question somewhere previously in the thread and that is what I was told.

Why not check it out.

Final Rule 2021R-08F | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Final Rule 2021R-08F Frequently Asked Questions and SBA Compliance Guide

www.atf.gov