Totally agree.
Trump off Colorado primary ballot?
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Y’all? I have said from day 1, and even in this thread that Russian collusion was a hoax. Not sure how you come up with the idea that I “fell for” it, just because I don’t think that people are scared of him. He has accomplished exactly 0 things that would make any part of the deep state scared of him. Last I checked, many of those people that you and other suggest are scared are still working in Congress, or for whatever agencies while Trump has been replaced with Biden. If you said Iran, Russia, Ukraine, and China were scared, I’d be more likely to agree with you.
The leaders of other countries respected Trump as a leader during negotiations, rather than an elderly weak figure, unable to lead his country.
Is Trump the absolute best person in the USA to be POTUS?
Probably not.
But I will take Trump over anyone else running for the job now or that has for the last 50 years or so. Yeah, he did a few things I don't like. Every other has done more than that. A LOT more.
At least this time around, Trump knows better who he can trust and who he can't.
Right now, we can't trust any of them.
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Probably not.
But I will take Trump over anyone else running for the job now or that has for the last 50 years or so. Yeah, he did a few things I don't like. Every other has done more than that. A LOT more.
At least this time around, Trump knows better who he can trust and who he can't.
Right now, we can't trust any of them.
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WT_Foxtrot
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Yes, a globalist. A guy who engaged us in completely unneeded wars on the other side of the globe, some of which were based on lies, that were of ZERO benefit to us that cost us (the US taxpayer) trillions upon trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and did so all while his own country was crashing in all around him.
You don't remember that? Doesn't seem that long ago to me. If you don't remember, that's what's laughable and/or concerning.
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WT_Foxtrot
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Again, you're missing the point. These aren't the normal run-of-the-mill oppo research political attacks like Trump going after "crooked Hillary" or the dems and some in the media calling Bush a dumb draft dodger in 2000 or Kerry getting swiftboated in '04. They're attacks that are meant to incapacitate him, whether figuratively or literally. Russia hoax was a start, then aligning the dems, deep state, media and even some frauds with an (R) behind their name to fight every fucking thing that he did during his tenure in office, including two ridiculous impeachments that cheapened the meaning of the word going forward. Then the J6 setup that was meant to harm him and his supporters, which worked like a charm.
Now they're trying to ruin him personally with completely bogus and made-up lawsuits and criminal charges and states refusing to put him on the ballot, unconstitutionally, I might add. Never seen that before. Have you?
Then there's the myriad of former (and sometimes current) government spooks who were formerly apolitical, but now not only spoke out while some were actually IN their role, but now are all contributors to CNN/MSNBC/PBS, etc. etc., railing against the dangers of Trump as well as his supporters......Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et al. These types only became political animals once Trump was on the scene.
Case in point.....retired AF general and former GWB head of the CIA Michael Hayden publicly on Twitter comparing Trump supporters to the Taliban like some uneducated millenial marxist. Again, this guy is the motherfucking former head of the CIA posting this shit about us.....well, maybe not you.
Bush CIA Dir. Hayden says Trump supporters are like Taliban; says send them to Afghanistan
Over the past week, retired U.S. Air Force Gen. and former Bush administration Central Intelligence Agency director Michael Hayden compared supporters of
I may not be as old as some here, but been around long enough. And never in my life have I seen people and entities attack someone like they do Trump, most times in a very planned and coordinated effort. It says a ton.
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Look you don't have a clue what his balance sheet is, nor do I. BUT, would you like to pay his attorney's fees for the past years coming from 4 fronts plus? You are barking up the wrong tree. Trump would still be sailing along on top of the business model he built, had the ComDems not used every evil trick in the book to try and destroy him and his reputation.
I refuse to argue with you over any of this. End Trans.,
Perhaps we have different views on what is a globalist. Mine is one who advocates "development of social, cultural, technological, or economic networks that transcend national boundaries." W was not one for surrendering the U.S.'s sovereignty.
We also will not agree on whether taking out Saddam and going after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan was a benefit. How many times was the U.S. attacked again after 9/11? None under W's watch and not really since. Do you think Al Qaeda was just going to retire after 9/11? I know you are not that stupid. He put them on the run. They could not hit the U.S. while they were running for their lives and hiding in caves. Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction - he used them on Iran and on his own people. The UN even had a program to go into the country to try and monitor their "destruction". Thousands of tons of yellowcake were removed from Iraq after the war. That is not being a globalist. That was protecting the U.S.
LOL, like anyone running for president is a saint.
I’m not missing the point at all. Despite the fact that your examples are correct, you’re not making a case that any of that means they are scared. So am I supposed to believe they are scared because you say it means they are scared? Because someone else said it means they are scared? Because Trump says it means they are scared? Are there any statements, that have been made, text messages, emails, or phones calls leaked, by politicians, prosecutors, etc that have indicated they are scared? Have other members of the deep state faces severe punishments that others are worried will happen to them? Maybe like Kevin clinesmith who altered evidence that led to a multi million dollar federal investigation? He didn’t even get disbarred. But I’m sure they are all trembling in their boots…Again, you're missing the point. These aren't the normal run-of-the-mill oppo research political attacks like Trump going after "crooked Hillary" or the dems and some in the media calling Bush a dumb draft dodger in 2000 or Kerry getting swiftboated in '04. They're attacks that are meant to incapacitate him, whether figuratively or literally. Russia hoax was a start, then aligning the dems, deep state, media and even some frauds with an (R) behind their name to fight every fucking thing that he did during his tenure in office, including two ridiculous impeachments that cheapened the meaning of the word going forward. Then the J6 setup that was meant to harm him and his supporters, which worked like a charm.
Now they're trying to ruin him personally with completely bogus and made-up lawsuits and criminal charges and states refusing to put him on the ballot, unconstitutionally, I might add. Never seen that before. Have you?
Then there's the myriad of former (and sometimes current) government spooks who were formerly apolitical, but now not only spoke out while some were actually IN their role, but now are all contributors to CNN/MSNBC/PBS, etc. etc., railing against the dangers of Trump as well as his supporters......Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et al. These types only became political animals once Trump was on the scene.
Case in point.....retired AF general and former GWB head of the CIA Michael Hayden publicly on Twitter comparing Trump supporters to the Taliban like some uneducated millenial marxist. Again, this guy is the motherfucking former head of the CIA posting this shit about us.....well, maybe not you.
Bush CIA Dir. Hayden says Trump supporters are like Taliban; says send them to Afghanistan
Over the past week, retired U.S. Air Force Gen. and former Bush administration Central Intelligence Agency director Michael Hayden compared supporters ofamericanmilitarynews.com
I may not be as old as some here, but been around long enough. And never in my life have I seen people and entities attack someone like they do Trump, most times in a very planned and coordinated effort. It says a ton.
You make a good case that they don’t like trump, which I think everyone would agree with, but not a good case that any part of the deep state is actually scared of him.
Actions speak volumes.
Haven't kept up with y'all's scared/not scared debate... but I always thought that they (deep state, et al) were/would be/should be scared of Trump because of what he would/could expose about illegalities of their actions/etc.
Watching the non-consequences befall those who he did expose tells me that I was wrong in that thinking. Nothing is going to happen to any of them, ever, from Lock Her Up to the weaponized IRS.
Dont ask me for facts; all I have is visuals...and, I'm done watching.
Maybe you could find some middle ground in there? He was a surprising breath of fresh air to this voter, who did much of what he said he would do, and was not your typical career bureaucrat. Yes, he was also abrasive and outspoken. Qualities I appreciated when he met with world leaders. What we have now is absolutely embarrassing. He naps while here in the US, undoing daily the good that Trump did manage. Then heads out and poops himself when meeting his peers on the world stage. It is so disgusting that I still believe we have grounds for a huge class-action lawsuit vs the DNC for what they have done to our country.
You know. If we still had laws and enforcement and shit?
motorcarman
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The Colorado Secretary of State's office said that "Donald Trump will be included as a candidate on Colorado’s 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot when certification occurs on January 5, 2024, unless the U.S. Supreme Court declines to take the case or otherwise affirms the Colorado Supreme Court ruling."
WT_Foxtrot
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Maybe slightly different views. I'd agree with your definition in part, but mine would be broader and simpler. And that is one that pursues and funds global aspirations....whether financially, militarily, or diplomatically......as a priority and before he takes care of his own country who he was elected to serve. Basically putting the needs and successes of other nations and their citizens above that of your own, which was the epitome of the Bush presidency. And I don't think he ever wanted to cede US sovereignty.
And as far as Al Queda and 9-11, I had and have ZERO problem going in directly after to wherever they were hiding and hunting down them and their leaders. I was as angry and vengeful as anyone. But when that largely didn't work and Bin Laden got away, I was NOT for hanging around in Afghanistan for another two decades fighting a futile war against the Taliban, which, by the way, we lost. They should have pulled out and used their intelligence and Special Forces to finally cut the head off the snake. Oh, and guess what? The Taliban is still in charge today some 20-plus years later. You'd have thought we learned something from Vietnam and from what the Soviets went through in Afghanistan in the '80s, but no. Stupid and futile, not to mention deadly and expensive. But what the hell, none of the global elitists' kids were at risk.
And if you bought for a minute that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the US, that's what's laughable. Bad guy? Yep. Brutal dictator? Without question. But finding him and killing him, which required trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives changed nothing. And it certainly changed nothing for the US and its citizens.
It's not our fucking job to police the world, though W thought it was his. Maybe it's his nature, maybe it was a vendetta. I believe the latter. And he did so while his own country went down the shitter in the biggest economic collapse in decades. And I was a big fan of his at one time, but no longer.
The fact that he and the rest of the politicians in his family are so rabidly anti-Trump says it all.......demonizing a guy who actually puts Country first. They never did. Sad, but telling.
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WT_Foxtrot
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Maybe scared isn't the right word and is up for interpretation anyway. But yes, they will do every fucking thing to keep him out of office, legal or illegal/unconstitutional, beyond anything I've seen in my lifetime and anything I'm aware of in US history.
But look at the examples I've cited, with which you seem to agree. What does that tell you? I don't need someone to tell me "I'm scared" to know that they are by their actions. Although you could go back and read the texts from Peter Strzok and his FBI coworker love bird he was having an affair with. They sure as **** seemed terrified.
I equate it to the feds coordinating with big tech to silence and squash ANY speech about COVID that went against the official government narrative, origin, efficacy of the jab, true death rate, effectiveness of masks. They did so because they knew it was a lie and were terrified of it being questioned and ultimately exposed.
Reading between the lines helps.....and sometimes it's not that fucking hard.
