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  • Austin

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    Has anyone on this fourm been to this class
    I went in March and took the class. I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't entertaining......but I feel really Ill informed. He told fabulious stories about his childhood, the wars he had taken part in, times when carrying a firearm saved his life.
    But as far as where you can and can't carry and for what reasons he only spent 10 min on tops.

    While he yaked on and on about his storys he really didn't give us any real information untill the last hour or so of the class. The bulk of that in the last 15 min before the class. I passed with a 96 but I literally had just been given all of the answers mere moments before the test. He did spend a fair amount of time trying to scare the crap out of us as far as the legal ramifications of what happens when and if you do have to pull that trigger. Which is good I think But as far as defining a sign that says "No guns" from a legal sign that prevents a licensed CHL holder from carrying his firearm in is extreamly grey to me.

    Are all of the Chl Classes that vague? I have read through my texas department of public safety CHL manual but, in there it is written with such difficult language that I have to spend some time decifering it.

    Has anyone else had an experience like this? Or do I just need to do a crap load of research before I go out in public packin'? Oh yea' and to top it all off at the end of his class as if i threat he says something to the effect of If you report to the state that you found this class insuffecent then they will take my licnse to teach this class and I would have to go take another class and spend the money for the class and the 140 to the state all over again.

    If nothing else does anyone have any good suggestions on places to do research online?
     

    txinvestigator

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    Has anyone on this fourm been to this class
    I went in March and took the class. I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't entertaining......but I feel really Ill informed. He told fabulious stories about his childhood, the wars he had taken part in, times when carrying a firearm saved his life.
    But as far as where you can and can't carry and for what reasons he only spent 10 min on tops.
    That is unprofessional and unfortunate.

    While he yaked on and on about his storys he really didn't give us any real information untill the last hour or so of the class. The bulk of that in the last 15 min before the class. I passed with a 96 but I literally had just been given all of the answers mere moments before the test. He did spend a fair amount of time trying to scare the crap out of us as far as the legal ramifications of what happens when and if you do have to pull that trigger. Which is good I think But as far as defining a sign that says "No guns" from a legal sign that prevents a licensed CHL holder from carrying his firearm in is extreamly grey to me.
    I'll post the sign at the end of this post.

    Are all of the Chl Classes that vague?
    Absolutely not!

    Oh yea' and to top it all off at the end of his class as if i threat he says something to the effect of If you report to the state that you found this class insuffecent then they will take my licnse to teach this class and I would have to go take another class and spend the money for the class and the 140 to the state all over again.
    That is not quite true. The fact that he even mentioned it tells me he knows his class is insufficient, but he does not care. Guys like him are a disservice to his students, the CHL program, other instructors and the general public.

    To suspend the licenses of his students DPS would need specific proof that the specific class you were in did not meet the requirements of the law. If you report him DPS will likely send an undercover in to "monitor" the class. This needs to be done.

    If nothing else does anyone have any good suggestions on places to do research online?

    Start right here. Ask away and we will be glad to help.



    Your 30.06 sign;

    "PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

    "CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."


    The letters must be block style, at least 1" tall and posted in contrasting colors conspicuously visible to the public.

    If that notice is outside you cannot enter with your handgun. If you see the notice after you enter, then you cannot remain with your handgun.

    The 30.06 law does not apply to places owned or leased by a government entity. (except for those places already covered under 46.03 and 36.035 of the penal code.

     

    guardrail

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    wow, there was six of us (three couples) that our class in January 2009 at topgun
    in houston and the class was ful of helpful information. the instructor was very good.
     

    Austin

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    I did forget to mention that it was a one day class. So I kind of expected everything to be a bit abriviated but I am glad to hear that not all CHL classes are like mine. I'll spend the time to be confident in the laws before I go carrying just any 'ol place. I did know I could look through the CHL Fourms on this website my only concern was that maybe I'd be getting an openion rather than a fact. Have you observed that most people on this fourm know what they are talking about as it pertains to CHL? Oh and thank you for your quick and thorough posts! Now I've got half a mind to find a class and spend the money and just Sit in and listen.
     

    txinvestigator

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    I did forget to mention that it was a one day class. So I kind of expected everything to be a bit abriviated but I am glad to hear that not all CHL classes are like mine. I'll spend the time to be confident in the laws before I go carrying just any 'ol place. I did know I could look through the CHL Fourms on this website my only concern was that maybe I'd be getting an openion rather than a fact. Have you observed that most people on this fourm know what they are talking about as it pertains to CHL? Oh and thank you for your quick and thorough posts! Now I've got half a mind to find a class and spend the money and just Sit in and listen.


    Fair concern. I am a CHL instructor, and there are others on this board also. I tend to post liinks to and quote the laws we discuss here.

    If a law is referenced by the code and section number you can Google Texas Legislature, click on Statutes, then click on Texas Statutes, then find the code and section.
     

    Big country

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    Go to the Texas department of public safety web site and look up CHL laws they are in there and correct me if I'm wrong txinvestigator but I think you can order a copy of the laws in a hand book.
     

    Austin

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    Here is a question for you: if I was to see a 30.06 sign and it wasn't in one inch letters does that mean I get to just ignore it?(I don't suspect that is the case) I ask because I don't believe I've ever noticed a sign of that size anywhere where are they tipically located? what kinds of buisnesses are they at?
     

    txinvestigator

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    Here is a question for you: if I was to see a 30.06 sign and it wasn't in one inch letters does that mean I get to just ignore it?(I don't suspect that is the case) I ask because I don't believe I've ever noticed a sign of that size anywhere where are they tipically located? what kinds of buisnesses are they at?

    Under the law if the letters are not at least one inch tall you did not receive notice. That said, I don't carry a ruler around and measure lettering on signs. ;)

    There is another website where people can list places they have found to be posted, but I cannot remember the url right now.
     

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    I don't have a CHL but I do have a commissioned security officer licence. (armed security officer) I took my level lll class at LSGR in Lockhart and they did a very thurow job explaining the laws regarding concealed carry (CC), so that we would have a general understanding of them for work related reasons. excellent staff very helpful and knowledgeable and did a great job of telling us where to find info on our own. I highly recomend them.
     

    DoubleActionCHL

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    I have to poke in my two cents. Your experience was unfortunate, but it's not all that uncommon. Before I started teaching, I took a class from a fairly well-known establishment. The instructor was a police officer (their major selling point), but in this case, it didn't work out that way.

    What I found was the man spent most of the class telling war stories of his career. We'd talk about "What if" scenarios and he'd tell us what HE would do, then say, "But YOU can't do that. You're not a cop." I found the whole thing less than helpful. I know several others that have had similar experiences at the same location. That's one of the reasons I decided to become an instructor.

    Now, I'm not saying police officers make poor instructors. I happen to work with some very good ones. In general, officers are going to have a broader knowledge of the law, and some real life experience to impart. The best thing to do is ask around. I get as much business from referrals as I do advertisement.

    And yes, this is an excellent place to get your questions answered. Don't discount doing a little digging and finding the answers yourself, or verifying our answers. We've been known to make mistakes.
     

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    I took a 2 evening class with Ross and Dottie Bransford and had a great experience. I had been warned by friends about how boring a CHL class can be. Thankfully Ross was anything but boring. What I appreciated about the Bransford's class was the practical aspects. They opened my eyes (read: scared the crap out of me) with all of the ramifications leading up to and after a shooting. Getting your CHL is the easy part. Being mentally prepared to use deadly force to protect your family or yourself and being able to live with the consequences is the hard part. I believe the Bransfords covered that very well.
     

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    I don't have a CHL but I do have a commissioned security officer licence. (armed security officer) I took my level lll class at LSGR in Lockhart and they did a very thurow job explaining the laws regarding concealed carry (CC), so that we would have a general understanding of them for work related reasons. excellent staff very helpful and knowledgeable and did a great job of telling us where to find info on our own. I highly recomend them.


    Thank you.
     

    gpeloq

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    Austin, Sorry you had such a bad first experience in a CHL class. I too have set in classes of this sort. I would like to offer you the opportunity to sit through another class and compare. You are welcome to audit one of our classes at no charge. You already have your TR-100 so test would not be required. Myself along with three other instructors teach at BassPro in Pearland. We do one or two classes a month on Saturdays. Our website is PearlandCHL.com. Let me know if your interested.
     

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    I just may take you up on that sometime. But first I've got to find the time! (and the gas money to drive out there). Thank you very much for the offer, maybe sometime soon.
     

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    I took a 2 evening class with Ross and Dottie Bransford and had a great experience. I had been warned by friends about how boring a CHL class can be. Thankfully Ross was anything but boring. What I appreciated about the Bransford's class was the practical aspects. They opened my eyes (read: scared the crap out of me) with all of the ramifications leading up to and after a shooting. Getting your CHL is the easy part. Being mentally prepared to use deadly force to protect your family or yourself and being able to live with the consequences is the hard part. I believe the Bransfords covered that very well.

    My buddy and I took Ross and Dottie's CHL class just this past Saturday. While Ross did have a few war stories, he covered everything required and used personal experience to illustrate his points. We were there all day and I believe all questions and points were answered.

    I don't know if the class has changed since last year but, sometimes people have trouble connecting the dots when personal stories are given to re-enforce a point and all they are thinking is "Geez, another story" and tune everything out and miss the point.

    The most important point I got from Ross' was, don't expect any parades or keys to the city if you reach the point of taking another life. It's a serious decision and should be taken as such.
     

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    I took the class from Dottie and Ross on the 10th. I feel that without some of the stories the information would be dry and lack context. All of them tied directly back to the material. Ross is a no-nonsense military style guy and his delivery style and directness didn't appeal to everyone in the class. Especially those who continually refused to honor his request to hold questions for breaks and after the class. I'm pleased and think most of the rest were as well. We had 14 new students and about the same number of recerts.
     

    TexasRedneck

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    A good instructor will do just that - use his "war stories" to highlight some of the points, and to help "lubricate" some of the dry aspects of the course. Because the law IS very dull and boring - but not knowing it will result in you getting to know folks in VERY confined spaces you'd normall avoid - jail cells ain't exactly roomy! ;)
     

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    A good instructor will do just that - use his "war stories" to highlight some of the points, and to help "lubricate" some of the dry aspects of the course. Because the law IS very dull and boring - but not knowing it will result in you getting to know folks in VERY confined spaces you'd normall avoid - jail cells ain't exactly roomy! ;)

    Maybe, but what I'm talking about is a little different. There are those who use the experiences as teaching tools, and those just like to talk about what a badass they are, then end the story with, "But you can't do that, because you're a civilian." I didn't find that terribly lubricating.
     
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