Dealing with Reloaders who are "Dirtbags"

[TexasJoe]

As you might imagine I have had to clean up my language quite a bit for this posting. After yet another unsuccessful tip to the shooting supply store (looking for primers) I decided to write this post and share some frustration. Most people that reload do it for various reasons like getting stable loads or saving costs. There are however a very small number of reloaders taking advantage of the rest of us. They will be referred to as "Dirtbags" from here on out. I am of course referring to the handful of Dirtbags that are buying primers by the thousands, and then trying to sell them on line for 5 - 10 times what they paid for them. People who are trying to take advantage of us during hard times are definitely Dirtbags and border on criminal. I have written to CCI and other primer manufacturers and they have assured me they put on additional staff to try and produce more but to no avail. As long as people but them up 5 and 10 thousand at a time the rest of us are pretty much hosed. I hate to see it, but some of the local shooting supply stores are starting to impose "limits" on the number you can buy. Here is my answer to the problem. DO NOT buy second hand primers on-line. Make the Dirtbags sit on the primers they bought till they rust away to nothing. As long as people give in and pay their outrageous prices they will continue to profiteer off of us. Now I understand this is America and people like to make a profit, but enough is enough. Lets stand together and force these Dirtbags to stop trying to gouge us just because they think they can. Thanks for reading.

http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/texasguntrader-com/6801-how-deal-reloader-dirtbags.html#post67459

 

[TSU45]

There really aren't that many primers for sale on Gunbroker. I think people are hoarding for their own reserves.

Where are you and what do you need? I might be able to sell you some.....at the right price.

 

[MadMo44Mag]

I'm with ya all the way. Yes you are being kind calling them dirtbags!
C**Cksuckers is more what I had in mind.
I have waited in line for some CKR to buy every last primer in the place.
Not just small pistol but tell the sale clerk "I'll take all the primers you have"
and just smile and pay, walk out with arm fulls of primers.
Luckily most store around here now have a 1k limit per day per customer.

 

[usmcpmi]

I'd like to know where there are primers available over the counter....let alone "thousands" Still looking for some LP and LR primers.....MG

 

[TexasJoe]

As far as Over the counter, if your there when the shipment arrives, Gander Mountain, 10-Ring or others will have them. I found it easier to go to Midway.com and click on the "Notify me when they arrive" button. I check my e-mail daily and it takes about a week or two but they will notify you when the primers reach receiving. (1000 Small Pistol Primers = $29.00). The problem is that the Dirtbags are watching to and the last shipment Midway got in a couple days ago was gone within an hour. Again, people buying 5 - 10 thousand at a time. If you respond directly to the mail they will have them. Problem there is having to pay HazMat fees. It's not bad if you are ordering power and stuff to but if your just getting primers the HazMat fee is more than the primers. Good Luck

 

[JKTex]

Another anti-free market post. How cute.

It might suck for the buyer that can't find them, but you have an equal chance to buy, just as they do.

You're doing the right thing to make a change, don't buy from them, but the ranting and whining does no good. That's the other side of the free market, the buyer who can choose to not buy from a particular source which will force that source to change course.

By the way, multi-posting the same thread right out of the registration gate doesn't look good on a new member. It makes it look as though you joined only to SPAM a forum with your rant.

 

[glock9]

As far as Over the counter, if your there when the shipment arrives, Gander Mountain, 10-Ring or others will have them. I found it easier to go to Midway.com and click on the "Notify me when they arrive" button. I check my e-mail daily and it takes about a week or two but they will notify you when the primers reach receiving. (1000 Small Pistol Primers = $29.00). The problem is that the Dirtbags are watching to and the last shipment Midway got in a couple days ago was gone within an hour. Again, people buying 5 - 10 thousand at a time. If you respond directly to the mail they will have them. Problem there is having to pay HazMat fees. It's not bad if you are ordering power and stuff to but if your just getting primers the HazMat fee is more than the primers. Good Luck

I am not one of the dirtbags and only buy primers for my own use. Before the Kenyan screwed us all, it was common for our shooting club to order 200k primers at a time with each shooter buying 5k - 20k so we could save on the shipping and hazmat fee.

Now in our new wonderful socialist world you are lucky to find any primers and if you do the dirbags want $50/k where we used to pay $12/k when we bought in bulk.

Midway limits you to 5k per order plus you still have to pay shipping and hazmat.

I've received 5 of their email notifications and even though I have them on my speed dial and called immediatly I was only able to make one purchase because they were already sold out when the notification arrived.

The one order I was able to make was for 5k of small rifle primers and with the shipping and fees it cost $36/k.

I really needed small and large pistol primers too and will gladly pay the their price but would much rather have the option to by 5k of sm, 5k of sp, and 5k of lp and pay one shipping and one hazmat but the dirtbags have ruined it for all of us.

Glock9

 

[MadMo44Mag]

I don't mind the hazmet frees when ordering primers and powder at the same time cause I buy 4lbs + of powder at a time but some times buying enough primers at the same time is cost prohibitive. (poor city guy here)
Right now I would be happy with 1000 small and a 1000 large pistol primers.
That would make me very happy till I need more in a couple of months.

 

[TexasJoe]

JKTex, THe double post was an issue where I posted in the wrong area, got my head on straight and then posted it correctly. Im will look for a way to remove the other one. Anyway, I do not consider this ranting. I posted an issue that I feel is a problem for the majority of us and I proposed a solution. That is the Marine Corps way. While I agree that people should not be restricted from buying and selling at a profit, intentional price gouging at the expense of others is not acceptable to me. I believe in a free-market, but not in cases where people are intentionally and purposfully taking advantage of others during hard times. That is not the American way. Not everyone buying 5000 primers is a bad person, but if you read the rest of the replys to my post you will see there are a number of those bad people out there.

 

[JKTex]

"Free market is wonderful when I'm on the winning side."

It's a very popular opinion by some members. It could be renamed the "half-free market".

 

[Charley]

"Free market is wonderful when I'm on the winning side."

It's a very popular opinion by some members. It could be renamed the "half-free market".

Agree 100%. A free market is a free market, warts and all. They are free to buy as many primers or whatzits as they can aford, and try to sell them to you at whatever they think you might pay. You are free to buy them and try to sell them as well. You are also free to NOT buy from those who you consider gougers.

As I posted on another forum, those who complain about free market prices are no different than Obama ranting about executive pay.

 

[txinvestigator]

This thread is more about selfishness than free market, IMO. Sellers and buyers are not obligated, legally, morally or ethically, to leave enough product for YOU. There is no such obligation to not try to sell them to make a profit, either.

To call those names who are "out playing" you is childish. Reminds me of those ebayers buyers who complain about getting their widget "stolen by snipers" ( a sniper is a person who bids in the very last seconds of an auction with their best bid, preventing anyone else from raising thier bid above the snipers)

 

[cuate]

Primer Scarcity & Costs When Available

This too, will pass as will the reign of the Obomination and his crew of bolshevics when he is either voted out of office, is impeached, or replaced. Americans will tire of the present flying circus and replace it with
a back to normalcy government and guns and ammo and ammo components will return to former availability.

Two to four years is a long spell but we have weathered long wars, depressions, drouths, floods, and hurricanes. When the going gets tough, the tough get going ! Hell I'm going to keep shootin' even if I have to convert my Hawken to flintlock !!!! (Joke, intended)

 

[Texshooter]

There are also "dirtbags" at gunshows. I just returned from the High Caliber show at the George R. Brown convention center and the was a vendor there selling Federal pistol primers for $50.00/1,000. I can get those at Carter's Country for $30.00/1,000. He was price gouging on everything, powder, bullets and brass.

Tex

 

[JKTex]

Price gouging
-pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available.
-a monopolistic pricing technique in which the seller takes advantage of the lack of competition by charging unusually high prices relative to a product's cost.

These guys are buying from the same suppliers you all have equal access to. There is no price gouging. You're complaining because someone else beat you to it.

 

[mortdooley]

Midway notifies me when they get small pistol primers in stock and if I place my order within a minute or two they will sell 1000 for $29.99 with a $20.00 hazmat fee plus shipping and handling charge. If I were desperate for primers $50.00 out the door would seem a bargain however I have been assured by the Wolf rep at the NRA convention that we will be able to get all we want sometime in July. Time will tell but I won't get my hopes up.

 

[jfrey]

Your point is well taken. You go into your neighborhood store for 1000 primers and find out someone has wiped them out all at once. Free enterprize is one thing but grocery stores have been putting limits on purchases for years. That is so everyone gets a shot at the specials they run. Not everyone wants, needs or can afford to buy 15000 primers all at once. The rest of us need some too and store limits are only reasonable to assure all the customers get a shot at the limited inventories retailers are able to get.

 

[MadMo44Mag]

Your point is well taken. You go into your neighborhood store for 1000 primers and find out someone has wiped them out all at once. Free enterprize is one thing but grocery stores have been putting limits on purchases for years. That is so everyone gets a shot at the specials they run. Not everyone wants, needs or can afford to buy 15000 primers all at once. The rest of us need some too and store limits are only reasonable to assure all the customers get a shot at the limited inventories retailers are able to get.

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I'm not unhappy about anything more than folks buying in fear of the Obamanation and not considering there are others out there that have needs/wants the same product but are unable to obtain said product because of one person buying every thing in sight even though they don't have a use for it or need.

As a shooter and re-loader I look upon guns and gun people as a culture or brotherhood.

We fight the same 2A battles, we deal with all the same anti gun BS so why are we not looking out for one another when it comes to ammo and supplies?

Why are some more motivated in a quick buck instead of helping out a fellow gunner???

Call me naive but dam it we are all in this together!
There is my bitch!!!

 

[idleprocess]

Welcome to the realities of supply and demand-dictated pricing.

Why does wally world sell out of ammunition within hours of restocking and why do people promptly resell said ammunition? Because their price is below the actual price dictated by the markets.

The same goes for reloading components.

Some retailers will keep their prices the same and institute rationing in an attempt to keep their longtime customers buying for personal consumption happy. Others will raise their prices to meet the market so the resellers don't make a profit (and pocket more profits themselves). Some will sell at a price point below market without regard to resellers taking advantage of the demand spike.

I have simply cut back on my shooting since I want neither to spend 2 hours a day trying to find ammo nor do I want to pay last years' premium rifle ammo prices for cheap pistol ammo. I'm doing my small part to drive down demand. At some point, the supply situation will level out as the panic buyers either cut into their stockpiles (hitting dmand) or sell off what they bought at a premium (I'll be watching the secondary market for some deals in the meantime).

 

[JKTex]

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I'm not unhappy about anything more than folks buying in fear of the Obamanation and not considering there are others out there that have needs/wants the same product but are unable to obtain said product because of one person buying every thing in sight even though they don't have a use for it or need.

As a shooter and re-loader I look upon guns and gun people as a culture or brotherhood.

We fight the same 2A battles, we deal with all the same anti gun BS so why are we not looking out for one another when it comes to ammo and supplies?

Why are some more motivated in a quick buck instead of helping out a fellow gunner???

Call me naive but dam it we are all in this together!
There is my bitch!!!

Because that's not how a healthy economy works...except maybe in North Korea.