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    Another good example of how it can be a good idea in training sometimes to break down the process in to a few separate steps, work on improving those steps individually, then put it all back together.
     

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    I do that every time I go to the range. Excellent use of range time.


    Sent from the mind of a genius. Forrealz.
     

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    Yup just today I was loading two rounds in three mags. And practicing changing mags and engaging the target again. Did stationary, moving back and side to side. Then I placed two mags on my tailgate, about 75ft away. Engage target with two, drop empty mag,RUN to truck grab fresh mag, RUN back to shooting position, reload, engage. ETC...
    Fun drill.
     

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    Was he using his slide release instead of racking back on the slide? I was always taught to rack it back because you shouldn't rely on fine motor skills in the heat of a fight...

    ... or am I missing something?
     

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    Was he using his slide release instead of racking back on the slide? I was always taught to rack it back because you shouldn't rely on fine motor skills in the heat of a fight...

    ... or am I missing something?

    I agree, but on the flip side, it's all in how you train.
     

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    Was he using his slide release instead of racking back on the slide? I was always taught to rack it back because you shouldn't rely on fine motor skills in the heat of a fight...

    ... or am I missing something?

    The fine motor skills argument has been thoroughly beat to death and is ultimately flawed. It's all in how you train. If you can pull a trigger, press a mag release button, you can operate a slide release lever. For those that aren't going to train much, true, racking a slide might be easier. Ultimately, it just is not that difficult, and one method offers decidedly faster performance (usually .5-1.0 seconds based on my measurements, and with students). Nothing wrong with racking a slide. One thing to consider is, in the same amount of time, you could potentially use the slide release lever and have an additional 1-3 rounds on target in the same amount of time it takes to the average person to rack the slide.
     

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    Was he using his slide release instead of racking back on the slide? I was always taught to rack it back because you shouldn't rely on fine motor skills in the heat of a fight...

    ... or am I missing something?

    You're missing a lot.

    Use the slide release. It's not any finer a motor skill than a good trigger pull, and it's faster than racking the slide.
     

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    The fine motor skills argument has been thoroughly beat to death and is ultimately flawed. It's all in how you train. If you can pull a trigger, press a mag release button, you can operate a slide release lever. For those that aren't going to train much, true, racking a slide might be easier. Ultimately, it just is not that difficult, and one method offers decidedly faster performance (usually .5-1.0 seconds based on my measurements, and with students). Nothing wrong with racking a slide. One thing to consider is, in the same amount of time, you could potentially use the slide release lever and have an additional 1-3 rounds on target in the same amount of time it takes to the average person to rack the slide.

    I agree 100%. I have used the slide release method and slide rack. I can do both in force on force situations using simunitions. Other students have as well.
     

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    I think it's important to inspect you firearm for wear and if using the slide release method inspect the slide release more often.

    With the dozens (probably over 100) of handguns I've shot over the years, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo, I have never seen a slide release lever or notch in a slide that was worn out or rounded off in such a manner as to cause function problems of the gun. I also know people with hundreds of thousands of rounds downrange, and some probably 1+ million, that have also never seen it either. To some degree, I think that's an urban myth that holds more truth with significantly older guns that weren't built with the same quality of steel as modern handguns. If there was a point at which it could actually happen with modern handguns, I think it's safe to say we're talking hundreds of thousands of rounds or more through one gun, and 1+ million reps of doing it. That's not even remotely close to how much 99% (made up number) of shooters will ever shoot in their lifetimes.
     

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    You're missing a lot.

    Use the slide release. It's not any finer a motor skill than a good trigger pull, and it's faster than racking the slide.

    Well that may be but I've always found it a little difficult to use the slide release on my glocks. Being a left-hander and using my forefinger just never felt right - possibly because glock releases aren't pronounced and my short stubby fingers makes for an ungainly reach. I'd rather lose the extra .5 seconds by racking the slide than risk fumbling for the release. I agree it's in how you train but I've found what works for me as a southpaw.
     

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    Well, I HAVE personally seen rounded edges on slides from the release. Like many others, it used to not be a concern to me - but having seen it for myself, I now strongly advocate against usin' the slide release routinely. Feel free to do as you like, though - it's your gun. Me, I ain't gonna do it, no matter how many may claim "thousands" of observed guns.
     

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    Well, I HAVE personally seen rounded edges on slides from the release. Like many others, it used to not be a concern to me - but having seen it for myself, I now strongly advocate against usin' the slide release routinely. Feel free to do as you like, though - it's your gun. Me, I ain't gonna do it, no matter how many may claim "thousands" of observed guns.

    He said it wasn't a problem on modern firearms, you're still thinking about the old dusty 1911s. They're out dated and built from sub par components.
     

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    Too be fair, on some of my pistols the manual says to release using the slide lock/release, on others it says to rack the slide.
     

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    With the dozens (probably over 100) of handguns I've shot over the years, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo, I have never seen a slide release lever or notch in a slide that was worn out or rounded off in such a manner as to cause function problems of the gun. I also know people with hundreds of thousands of rounds downrange, and some probably 1+ million, that have also never seen it either. To some degree, I think that's an urban myth that holds more truth with significantly older guns that weren't built with the same quality of steel as modern handguns. If there was a point at which it could actually happen with modern handguns, I think it's safe to say we're talking hundreds of thousands of rounds or more through one gun, and 1+ million reps of doing it. That's not even remotely close to how much 99% (made up number) of shooters will ever shoot in their lifetimes.

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    Was he using his slide release instead of racking back on the slide? I was always taught to rack it back because you shouldn't rely on fine motor skills in the heat of a fight...

    ... or am I missing something?

    Along with Sig_Fiend and those who concur with using the Slide Stop. Using the P226 the slidestop is easy to hit, always having the slingshot "to go to" if i miss the initial hit on the slidestop. Glocks have a minimal slidestop, more difficult to hit whereby most use the slingshot method. A pair of pliers or modified slidestop enables usage during the reload. You must decide if a .75 to 1 second difference is important in a gunfight. Train Perfect, or not at all.
     

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    OP, thanks for the video, and confirmation. I run this drill (slightly modified) on dry fire here at the house but have yet to work on it at the range. The confirmation I mentioned is confirmation that my 'makeup a reload exercise' was an acceptable idea. Not very many drills apply to me right out of the box. Glad I'm on the right track.

    I release the slide by slide stop and slide stop only. The theories and internet forum arguments go out the window when you are forced to do manipulations with strict limitations. You guys, don't fail to see the forest for the trees. Do what works for you. Also, slides and slide stops are replaceable items. If you wear it out, change it out and run it all over again.
     

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    OP, thanks for the video, and confirmation. I run this drill (slightly modified) on dry fire here at the house but have yet to work on it at the range. The confirmation I mentioned is confirmation that my 'makeup a reload exercise' was an acceptable idea. Not very many drills apply to me right out of the box. Glad I'm on the right track.

    I release the slide by slide stop and slide stop only. The theories and internet forum arguments go out the window when you are forced to do manipulations with strict limitations. You guys, don't fail to see the forest for the trees. Do what works for you. Also, slides and slide stops are replaceable items. If you wear it out, change it out and run it all over again.

    ^Some great advice here. Monica, you are totally outside of the box! You rule! ;)
     
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