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More Ted Cruz. This guy makes me so happy.
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rushthezeppelin
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Thanks for the clarification....kinda feel like a since for never even having researched that. Guess you are kind of of the same mindset as me, this country is like a drunk and I'm about convinced that we have to hit rock bottom before rehab will do any good. Financial collapse (or at least the biggest market correction we've seen) is almost inevitable at this point, especially considering how incredibly bloated the derivatives market is.
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If I were elected to the Senate, I would try to bring back duels between Senators. It's an old tradition, but one that should never have ended.
I wonder if Cruz would be my second...
I think you're confusing the Fed (Federal Reserve Bank) with the feds (Federal Government). The Fed (bank one) isn't part of the government. No, really. Look it up. We'll wait.
rushthezeppelin
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I know full well they are a private entity independent of the federal government with an undisclosed list of share holders. As the saying goes "it's about a federal as federal express".
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Flyingswords
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Same here, so I'll comment, anyway.
The rhetoric here is silly. Governments collect taxes. That's legitimate. They must have some bureaucracy to accomplish that. You can't get rid of it. Customs collects some. There are a couple of other minor examples who collect a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. But no matter what you think of government, no one here is dumb enough to deny that at least a few federal government employees are going to be needed to oversee the process of collecting most taxes.
You can call it by another name than "IRS". You can make the tax code so simple that fewer people are needed for the job. You can throw out the whole Code and replace it with a flat or fair (or whatever) tax and really cut down on the number of necessary employees. But "Abolish the IRS", by itself, is nothing but feel-good sloganeering.
That's why I wanted to read the petition. I want to know the real meat of what he's proposing. But I can't find it anywhere.
ETA: At http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/cost-...z-leading-charge-abolishing-irs#ixzz2VC1w7dSU Fox news lets Cruz talk about the IRS for the first five minutes of an interview. He seems to want a flat tax with a couple of exemptions but gives no sign of how he expects to enforce even that simplified tax code on people who refuse or fail to file and pay. No nuts and bolts info provided, at all. I've managed to find some news reports that say he wants to delegate the collection of federal taxes to the states but I haven't seen anything with particulars from him or his people.
Still looking for the text of the petition. Anybody?
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rushthezeppelin
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Get rid of our incredibly bloated progressive tax code for a small flat tax or even better just a national sales tax (that stops under the table money/black market from avoiding taxes). Do this and we don't need this over bloated IRS. And you say "governments collect taxes", well ours didn't for much of its existence. Did you know our federal government used to subsist solely on tariffs?
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Ted Cruz voted in favor of the Monsanto anti GMO labeling crusade. So did Rand Paul. Normally, that in itself would be enough to make me say he has no business representing Texas or the USA. But the fact that I still support him shows just how corrupt our government has become. Literally settling for the lesser of the 2 evils, but when it comes down to it, they're all bought and paid for by the corporations. I guess law prohibiting GMO labeling wouldn't seem like such a big deal, if these products hadn't been banned in over 30 other countries, including Haiti, which is an impoverished nation to say the least. If a country as poor as Haiti doesn't accept these products because they are poison, shouldn't we at least be able to label them here? I think so...
Although I applaud Senator Cruz's efforts to preserve the Bill of Rights, the vote for Monsanto definitely won't be forgotten.
Regardless of what anyone thinks, says, or feels, our entire government, on every level, has slipped into fascism at least to some degree. Some, more than others obviously.
Senator Cornyn voted for the Monsanto Protection Act, which means he will not get my vote in the next election.
Although I applaud Senator Cruz's efforts to preserve the Bill of Rights, the vote for Monsanto definitely won't be forgotten.
Regardless of what anyone thinks, says, or feels, our entire government, on every level, has slipped into fascism at least to some degree. Some, more than others obviously.
Senator Cornyn voted for the Monsanto Protection Act, which means he will not get my vote in the next election.
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Tariffs and fees. And land sales.
So those votes were incorrect? Find me where in the Constitution it says the government has the power to require labeling food in this way.
Do you eat corn?
I'm sure the labeling of GMO crops weren't specified anywhere in the Constitution, but I believe people have a right to know what they are eating. Especially when it is something that many people across the world believe is harmful, enough so that they burn entire crops and ban Monsanto from the entire country. Yes, I love corn.
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Won't eat GMO, but will eat a plant that didn't occur naturally. Gotcha.
rushthezeppelin
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It's one thing to have hybridized plants (which can still be harmful like the way we've breed all our fruit for massive sugar content). It's a whole nother thing to be splicing genes from a whole different kingdom and then have these genes spread uncontrollably when they get cross pollinated with non GMO (and usually cause said farmer to get sued for copyright infringement and their land stripped from them).
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Which is why there's no scientific evidence that GMO has ever harmed a single person. Medically, anyway. Not counting the farmers who are planting the stuff on the sly.
rushthezeppelin
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Except you know those studies done outside of the country were Monsanto's copyrights don't apply to research scientists.
And regardless of harmful effects I still consider what they are doing to be playing god, not something I think we should be doing.
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Yes, I knew that; I did mention Customs. I failed to differentiate between taxes and tariffs. My apologies.
In practical terms, the US gov has no more land to sell. Sure, there's some but the small, discreet packages couldn't begin to cover costs and the political downsides of selling off large tracts in the west makes that notion a non-starter.
Fees are a whole 'nother can of worms, one that will always be attacked by the public and media as "taxes in disguise".
So, yes, I stand by my original statement. Governments collect taxes and that's not unreasonable. Those taxes may be on income (tax), imports (tariffs), specific services (fees) or any of a whole bunch of other tax-proxies. As a practical matter and as far as most people are concerned, if they have to give money to a government, it's by definition a tax. The finer distinctions get lost in the political shouting.
In other words, semantics isn't the basis for a good argument to abolish the IRS. However, this
just might be.
Make laws simple enough and fewer people will be needed to administer them. I can get on board with that.
But there will still be a need for *someone* to enforce those laws. Change the name from "IRS" to something else, if necessary, but the new organization will still be faced with the same tasks.
Given that, I stand by my statement that "Abolish the IRS" is empty-headed sloganeering. I might be willing to cut Cruz some slack if he'd just put the text of the petition on his web site or Facebook page where I can see what he's actually proposing. Until then, as far as I can tell this is just content-free pandering to the base.
IIRC, Texas is the only state west of the Mississippi that the federal gov't doesn't own at least 40% of. Some states go something like 80%. There are literally millions of acres of land out there just sitting there, wasted because the feds suck. Obviously, it's not a way to fund the .gov forever, but they could use some of that land at least to pay down debts... as long as we can keep the corrupt bastards from giving it to themselves or their spouses (Feinstein is a bitch) for a song.
...which would definitely happen.
I'd be in favor of land sales to raise revenue if we'd emulate the Canadian and Mexican examples. That is, we could sell the land to the Chinese, let them develop it for a couple of decades, then nationalize it and take it back. Canada and Mexico have done this numerous times and stupid Americans continue to buy land in those countries. Maybe the Chinese might turn out to be just as stupid as Americans.
(I think the previous paragraph was meant in jest but it's past my beddy-bye time and I can't be too sure.
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