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  • dane421

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    Anybody taking this class or taken one before? This will be my first and I am trying to figure out what gear to buy. I have a rifle and ammo I guess I am looking for advice on a good kit.
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    Texas1911

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    If it's anything like the video, you are a lucky dude.

    From the video I'd suggest alot of mags, good ammo, some sort of good tactical vest, and any new toys you want to use.

    Talon Arms (www.talonarms.com) had a big shipment of 2nd Gen P-Mags and they probably have a vest for you.
     

    dane421

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    Looking for a good rig, I don't need a complete kit just something that will hold pistol and carbine mags. Is a belt holster the best solution or something else. I am not familiar with all the new cool gear out there so a few good suggestions would be nice.
     

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    I love my Eagle Chest Rig, Universal/SKD Version.
    Eagle Chest Rig, Universal/SKD Version

    Holds 8 mags.
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    CarbonCycles

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    Have you guys seen the Magpul DVD? One of those guys comes across as a serious AHOLE...the last thing I want is some jackass yelling in my face if I'm paying you good money.

    Now with that said, if I can get my new AR secured by then, then you can count me in.
     

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    Have you guys seen the Magpul DVD? One of those guys comes across as a serious AHOLE...the last thing I want is some jackass yelling in my face if I'm paying you good money.

    Now with that said, if I can get my new AR secured by then, then you can count me in.

    It sounds like you are referring to Chris Costa, and it also sounds like you don't understand what he was doing. By his yelling, at certain people while they were trying to perform drills, he was breaking their OODA loop and forcing them to try and work through it (that is the way it appears to me). You need thicker skin if someone yelling hurts your feelings. ;) No they are not doing this just to make it seem like boot camp. There are valid training reasons why such surprise actions can be beneficial. Just imagine how you might react in a real defense situation. The actions of an attacker, sudden surprise attack, etc are more than enough to screw with most people's OODA loop, and I would say there are lots of people out there that would just plain freeze up (at least momentarily) in a situation like that. "Casual" range training with no real uncomfortable stimulation like that really doesn't fully prepare someone for how to react. Having someone yell uncomfortably loud at you like that, taking you by surprise, can be a useful training tool to teach you to work through it, focus on the task at hand, and get back in the fight.
     

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    Have you guys seen the Magpul DVD? One of those guys comes across as a serious AHOLE...the last thing I want is some jackass yelling in my face if I'm paying you good money.

    Now with that said, if I can get my new AR secured by then, then you can count me in.

    He's imparting stress on the person to get them to react. Most people crumble, and some people get it done faster. He's trying to push them to take it seriously, and really train and learn it.
     

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    Oh I'm aware of what he's trying to do, but I believe Chris could have handled the situation much better. It's one thing when you're conscripted and forced to react; it's another thing when a person is paying for the training.
     

    Texas1911

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    Oh I'm aware of what he's trying to do, but I believe Chris could have handled the situation much better. It's one thing when you're conscripted and forced to react; it's another thing when a person is paying for the training.

    It's training, not fun day at the range. Honestly, if you can't handle someone yelling at you to get it right, then how are you going to handle double tapping some guy in the chest, or being shot at, or the stress of competition?

    It's part of the training, and it's something that someone should be willing to live with, regardless of you paying for it or not. This isn't a resort spa, it's combat training.

    I want someone to get in my face, tell me I'm screwing up, and make me do it right. It's the only way you learn things 100%.
     

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    It sounds like you are referring to Chris Costa, and it also sounds like you don't understand what he was doing. By his yelling, at certain people while they were trying to perform drills, he was breaking their OODA loop and forcing them to try and work through it (that is the way it appears to me). You need thicker skin if someone yelling hurts your feelings. ;) No they are not doing this just to make it seem like boot camp. There are valid training reasons why such surprise actions can be beneficial. Just imagine how you might react in a real defense situation. The actions of an attacker, sudden surprise attack, etc are more than enough to screw with most people's OODA loop, and I would say there are lots of people out there that would just plain freeze up (at least momentarily) in a situation like that. "Casual" range training with no real uncomfortable stimulation like that really doesn't fully prepare someone for how to react. Having someone yell uncomfortably loud at you like that, taking you by surprise, can be a useful training tool to teach you to work through it, focus on the task at hand, and get back in the fight.

    I agree, an actual firefight is nothing like a day at the range. Once you get contact your blood pressure rises and stress is through the roof. Chris does a good job at reproducing this with yelling and rushing. I remember the one guy on the video getting butthurt all the time, but if he was paying attention instead of getting pissed he would have learned some good stuff.
     

    dane421

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    I think I am going to go with this. It is a mini mav made by tactical tailor, and cost about $100. What do you guys think.
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    That looks good. One thing is for sure, just after looking over many AAR's of classes like this, it is sure to test out your gear setup and bring out any potential problem areas. Classes like these are definitely a good place to test out your gear and make sure everything is GTG, but at the same time you don't exactly have to overdo it and it's not necessary to have a $700 Eagle plate carrier and be decked out in "tactical" everything. ;) Just make sure that you have a fairly solid and reliable setup, because the last thing you want to do at an expensive class like these is waste time fumbling with gear or fixing broken gear, which could potentially take you out of the game. One thing worth considering for the more serious classes like this is backups for pretty much everything. If you have extra rifles, sidearms, chest rigs, etc bring as many as you can so if something goes down, you have a backup and can still stay in the game.

    If it were me, I'd want a simple chest rig to hold my mags, blow out kit, camelbak on the back, and that's about it. No real need to look like a tactical ninja turtle with a decked out plate carrier and every molle accessory you can imagine. ;) Then I'd want a good sized comfortable belt for the sidearm, maybe a dump pouch, and that's about it. There's pros and cons to everything, just have to see what works for you. For me, I would have to look cool, because we all know that's what it's all about anyways. lol j/k
     

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    I'd almost want to do it without the gear in some instances because it introduces another dynamic, one we are more likely to face (burglary, etc.)
     

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    I'd almost want to do it without the gear in some instances because it introduces another dynamic, one we are more likely to face (burglary, etc.)

    I think it would be hilarious to show up to the class in pajamas and run it like you just woke up. How's that for realism. ;) People that sleep in their birthday suits would not be invited though. ;) lol
     

    CarbonCycles

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    I'd run the mags on my belt for reloads and feed from the chest. Have you had a chance to watch the magpul dvds? You'll find some pretty good stuff in there to consider.
     

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    I've watched the first one, still need to get the second though. I was extremely impressed with the first one. I've watched a ton of different training videos, and Art of the Tactical Carbine is the most professional I've seen.
     
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