Security officer shoots a man trying to run him down!

[Big country]

[URL]http://privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/security-officer-shoots-kills-man-trying-to-run-him-down-www-privateofficer-com/[/URL]
This is just a little north of were I am posted right now. Some of my clients employees told me about this this morning. Always sad when some one doesn't go home to there family, but I'm glad the officer didn't get killed.

 

[Big country]

[url]http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/Police_investigate_overnight_shooting[/URL]
Here is another link yall might find helpful. Sounds like he was off his property? That might cause him some problems.

 

[DCortez]

Can't go around acting crazy and hoping things work out. Good news that the guard made it home.

 

[Big country]

Can't go around acting crazy and hoping things work out. Good news that the guard made it home.

That is kinda like that saying "if you're going to be stupid you'd better be tuff" From what the article says, the officer may not have been on his assigned post, but we will see what happens when APD gets done.

 

[MadMo44Mag]

Hope all turns out well for the guard.

 

[JKTex]

If the shooting was a justified self defense shooting, no one cares if it was not on "his post".

However, they my bet is that it goes to a grand jury, and he better have had no other way to run to get out of the trucks way. Shooting a person driving a car does not stop the threat/car. Jumping 4'-5' is something a person can do that a car can't.

Technically, I think that even if he were pinched in a tight spot and could not get away from the truck, like against a wall, still, shooting the driver is not stopping the threat to your life. That car/truck in motion doesn't consider a bullet. It may not be a good situation for him. Or maybe there's something I'm not aware of which would be good for him. On the other hand, was he stopping him from fleeing running over the passenger which the Guard may have had good reason to believe was a murder.

All speculation aside, this is one of those that will require good evidence and justified circumstances to keep the guard off the hook I think.

 

[Big country]

The only thing I don't agree with you on is that, it does matter if he was on his post or not. If he was not on his assigned post then he was not legally carrying a firearm. But other than that I think you are right. We (the general public) do not have all the evidence and facts. So until APD releases more we know a just little bit more than nothing.

 

[JKTex]

The only thing I don't agree with you on is that, it does matter if he was on his post or not. If he was not on his assigned post then he was not legally carrying a firearm. But other than that I think you are right. We (the general public) do not have all the evidence and facts. So until APD releases more we know a just little bit more than nothing.

If in fact he can legally carry only on his post, it would still only be an unlawful carry charge, but if he was acting on a crime being committed, it's doubtful that would make a difference.

But we're still speculating.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

The only thing I don't agree with you on is that, it does matter if he was on his post or not. If he was not on his assigned post then he was not legally carrying a firearm. But other than that I think you are right. We (the general public) do not have all the evidence and facts. So until APD releases more we know a just little bit more than nothing.

I thought as long as he was in a legit uniform, then a security guard can carry his weapon, except where alcohol is sold, etc.?

 

[Texas42]

This is where we need open carry. It would get rid of any of this . .. . was he on his post crap that is completely irrelevent.

 

[Texas1911]

However, they my bet is that it goes to a grand jury, and he better have had no other way to run to get out of the trucks way. Shooting a person driving a car does not stop the threat/car. Jumping 4'-5' is something a person can do that a car can't.

That's besides the point, you can step 2' to the right and avoid someone thrusting a knife at you, but the threat is a threat.

Police officers will shoot at people trying to ram them in vehicles and it's justified on the same grounds as a civilian. It's assault with a deadly weapon, and that gives plenty of grounds for lethal force.

 

[Big country]

If in fact he can legally carry only on his post, it would still only be an unlawful carry charge, but if he was acting on a crime being committed, it's doubtful that would make a difference.

But we're still speculating.

Yes we are still speculating, It can make a difference depending on the area you work. Austin is a very liberal place.

I thought as long as he was in a legit uniform, then a security guard can carry his weapon, except where alcohol is sold, etc.?

No. We can wear our uniform gun in all to and from work, at our assigned post and on private property. If you are in uniform your weapon must be visible at all times, and if you are not meeting any of those requirements you are eligible for one or more nights in Travis county jail all travel expense and three meals a day included in your stay. And the armed site I work on the week end is an event hall that serves beer, there is a 51% sign on the door, but that is my assigned post so I'm legal

This is where we need open carry. It would get rid of any of this . .. . was he on his post crap that is completely irrelevent.

It is relevant if you do armed security in this area.
I am watching this closely because this is were I work as an armed security officer, how the police and courts handle could effect me as early as tomorrow. And Hoji or txinvestigator, I might be wrong on some of this so feel free to correct me, but I think it is all fairly accurate.

 

[Big country]

That's besides the point, you can step 2' to the right and avoid someone thrusting a knife at you, but the threat is a threat.

Police officers will shoot at people trying to ram them in vehicles and it's justified on the same grounds as a civilian. It's assault with a deadly weapon, and that gives plenty of grounds for lethal force.

Agreed.

 

[Hoji]

If in fact he can legally carry only on his post, it would still only be an unlawful carry charge, but if he was acting on a crime being committed, it's doubtful that would make a difference.

But we're still speculating.

Well, no.

If he was illegally carrying { off his post} he could get burned on the clause in section 9 of the Texas penal Code{ I have to run but I will post it later if Txinvestigator does not beat me to it} That states " You are NOT justified in the use of force or deadly force if you sought an explanation from the other person while illegally carrying a weapon"

Anywhere else in Texas it would not be an issue, but it might be in Travis County

Hope all goes well for the officer.

 

[Big country]

That is what I was driving at. I'll look and see if they have any updated info at some point today.

 

[Big country]

No updated info as of yet. I'm still keeping an eye on it tho. As far as the laws pertaining to commissioned security officers go here is a link to TXDPS [url]http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/psb/[/URL] This most if not all of the laws pertaining to commissioned and non commissioned security officers.

 

[texas_teacher]

God what a nightmare... It just seems like the libs will go further out of their way to protect the perps and keep us good hard-working folks that build and protect this economy from protecting ourselves... To hell with the left... To hell with them... If it's not one thing its a bloody 'nother.