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  • txinvestigator

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    Off duty has no more right than I do with a CHL. Property rights trump imagined power of off duty officers.

    Actually in Texas that is not true. Off duty officers can carry in all the places you cannot under penal codes 46.03 and 46.035. Off duty officers are not restricted to concealed carry. Off duty officers are not subject to 30.06, and under the standard trespass law, penal code 30.05, the law does not apply to peace offiicers, whether on or off duty, in regards to the firearm.

    The "power" of off duty officers is not imagined. Their off duty powers are the same as on duty.
     

    ArmyZach

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    What the heck does this mean:
    "*a spokesman explained that the new policy was implemented after deciding it would best enhance the gameday experience."
    Being a soft target 'enhances' the game day experience?
     

    Koinonia

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    Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act says police can carry anywhere not federally prohibited, however, the NFL can refuse entry to anyone they want as a Private entity.
     

    txinvestigator

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    Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act says police can carry anywhere not federally prohibited, however, the NFL can refuse entry to anyone they want as a Private entity.

    Just as an interesting exercise, what would happen to an off duty LEO who has purchased a ticket and tells a ticket taker security person he was going in anyway and pushed through?
     

    Koinonia

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    Just as an interesting exercise, what would happen to an off duty LEO who has purchased a ticket and tells a ticket taker security person he was going in anyway and pushed through?

    At that point its be trespassing, as the officer was informed that his entry to the stadium was conditional, (the announcement is relatively well known), and would likely be warned and/or removed by the Onduty officers, no?
     

    TX69

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    At that point its be trespassing, as the officer was informed that his entry to the stadium was conditional, (the announcement is relatively well known), and would likely be warned and/or removed by the Onduty officers, no?

    That would be a viral Youtube
     

    winchster

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    You really think Arlington PD would escort an off duty officer out simply for carrying?

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    Koinonia

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    You really think Arlington PD would escort an off duty officer out simply for carrying?

    If you bought a ticket to a sporting event, and knew that the individuals running the event did not allow certain activities, but went anyway, you have no right to force your entry. Buying the ticket to go constitutes an implied consent to follow the facilities rules. (In my opinion.)

    If you're Off-duty police, and intend to break the rules set by the facilities Non-Governmental (In regards to Fed/State Gov't) representatives, then you should be treated no different then John Doe behind you who also bought a ticket and planned on breaking their rules as well.
     

    Koinonia

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    There is no true answer to that question. In any police department there are the guys who follow the law, and there are some who wont enforce some laws, because of LEO status.

    I think that they should, however, there is no guarantee they will. It depends on who gets the call, and who responds first. Police departments are not all made of like minded individuals who you can guarantee how they will react every time.
     

    winchster

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    But I am under the impression that the carrying by a leo is a legal action.

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    txinvestigator

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    At that point its be trespassing, as the officer was informed that his entry to the stadium was conditional, (the announcement is relatively well known), and would likely be warned and/or removed by the Onduty officers, no?

    If the basis for refusing entry was the handgun, trespassing does not apply.

    Texas Penal Code 30.05
    Criminal Trespass

    (i) This section does not apply if:
    (1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun or other weapon was forbidden; and
    (2) the actor at the time of the offense was a peace officer, including a commissioned peace officer of a recognized state, or a special investigator under Article 2.122, Code of Criminal Procedure, regardless of whether the peace officer or special investigator was engaged in the actual discharge of an official duty while carrying the weapon.
     
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