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  • Phoebe Ann

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    There's a poll on Facebook that asks:

    Do you think the US should test for drugs in order for an individual to receive a Welfare or Food Stamp check?

    What's your opinion?

    Do you think this would encourage responsibility? Do you think it's a violation of rights in any way? Even though this is a hypothetical question, do you think this decision would affect you? If so, how?

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    M. Sage

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    No, it doesn't violate rights, since they choose to be on welfare. Voluntary participation means the testing that goes along with it is also voluntary.

    But no, I don't think we should require a drug check. I do however think that we should make it more like unemployment where benefits are limited and you have to show that you're trying to get out of the situation to continue getting benefits.
     

    Phoebe Ann

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    But no, I don't think we should require a drug check. I do however think that we should make it more like unemployment where benefits are limited and you have to show that you're trying to get out of the situation to continue getting benefits.

    Kuddos! I like your answer! Will you call our Senator(s) for me?
     

    HKUSP45C

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    M.Sage and I are in total agreement. You can't violate the rights people willingly sign away to participate in an activity, much like you don't have the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure when boarding a commercial aricraft.

    We also agree that it's a bad idea, generally speaking. If we're going to give them the cash we should keep our noses out of what they choose to do with it. And, I likewise feel that social programs should have an "end date" to encourage people to become productive. It's supposed to be a "hand up" not a "hand out" as the old saw goes, there are far too many (one is too many) making a long career out of the social systems in this country.

    At some point you have to look at someone and just say "you need a job, not more of everyone else's money."

    If we're going to drug test (again, I'm against it, in principle) we might as well start implanting IUDs too so the women will stop having children while on welfare or requiring men to have their "tubes tied" for the duration of their acceptance of the checks. We should also require the folks who are recieving benefits to type, master a second language and get a GED or they have to pay all of the money back. (Just playing the Devil's advocate here)

    The feds did a great disservice to this country when they standardized welfare guidelines. Charity (even government charity) is best handled by the local communities or the state, not the Federal Government. Hell, if Congress ran the Mojave, there'd be a shortage of sand.
     

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    I mostly agree with you guys, but I like the idea of drug testing for those on welfare & foodstamps. I think a fair percentage of people on these programs could get off them if they didn't use drugs. Drugs reduce ambition & the drive to succeed. Obviously, there are lots of people on these programs that don't do drugs. If you are going to take tax payers money, it shouldn't make it's way directly into drug dealers hands.
     

    HKUSP45C

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    I mostly agree with you guys, but I like the idea of drug testing for those on welfare & foodstamps. I think a fair percentage of people on these programs could get off them if they didn't use drugs. Drugs reduce ambition & the drive to succeed. Obviously, there are lots of people on these programs that don't do drugs. If you are going to take tax payers money, it shouldn't make it's way directly into drug dealers hands.

    While I can see where you're going with your reasoning I have to disagree for a few reasons.

    1. We won't treat drug use\addiction in this country as a medical problem (like alcoholism or addiction prescriptions), until we do we will continue to have problems the government will be unable to solve.
    2. If we test someone and the UA comes up dirty what do we do? Stop giving them assistance? How are they helped? Do we lock them up? How are they helped? Provide them with rehab? What if they don't want to quit?
    3. Again, if we're going to hand them money they should be allowed to be as damn fool stupid with it as everyone else who "finds" money.
    4. A standard 4/5 panel UA costs ~40 dollars to administer and analyze, that's a whole bunch of money to spend to "catch" a small percentage of people getting high on the Federal dime. And then, when we do catch them ... Please refer to problem #2

    I'm open to suggestions on how to fix welfare, I just don't think drug testing passes the "sniff test" as an actual step toward a better system.
     

    TSU45

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    Never happen. Too many votes are pulled from the promise of welfare. It would take a major reboot of the system.

    ETA: But yes, I do think it should be required. Along with alcohol, albeit a very limited test detection period.
     

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    As the son of two Texas Government social workers, I think, speaking incredibly bluntly, there should be a drug test and a snippy snip for anyone looking to be on welfare, or at least a snippy snip after the first one pops out.
     

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    Drug test can be beat. And if your laying around getting high instead of working it seems like you could find the time to do it.

    I think putting a cap on how much you can draw makes more sense. I'm also for limiting what you can buy with it. When I have to shop marked down meat & some fat ass welfare queen comes & buys 1.5 pounds of jumbo gulf shrimp then gets them steamed for lunch I get really pissed off.
     

    Okierifleman

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    As the son of two Texas Government social workers, I think, speaking incredibly bluntly, there should be a drug test and a snippy snip for anyone looking to be on welfare, or at least a snippy snip after the first one pops out.

    +100 on this. If you choose to get on the government tit, they damn well get the right to be able to drug test you and I have always thought they ought to fix you to prevent additional recipients. But, this all goes back to the fact that the welfare system in general is screwed up in the first place. This is typical government horseshit, instead of fixing the problem, they choose to skate around it as to not piss off any potential voters.
     

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    There should be a mandatory drug test for welfare and food stamps. I have worked in the food stamp office here in Austin and to tell you the truth there should be drug testing and a cut off time. And if they fail the drug test (and most of them will) then you get no more help. If you want to waste your time smoking dope rather than getting your lazy ass out of bed and getting a job, then don't ask for the honest folks to pay your way. When working the food stamp office I have seen a lot, I've seen people that are really trying to get work and people who get out of bed at 1 or 2 in the afternoon to come and renew their lone star card. The ones who show up at 1 or 2 in the afternoon in their pj's looking for a handout generally reek of pot and booze or one of the two. You can tell me I'm wrong if you wish, but go to your local food stamp office and just hang out for a while don't apply for any thing just tell them you are there giving someone a ride and watch the folks that come in.
     

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    There should be a mandatory drug test for welfare and food stamps. I have worked in the food stamp office here in Austin and to tell you the truth there should be drug testing and a cut off time. And if they fail the drug test (and most of them will) then you get no more help. If you want to waste your time smoking dope rather than getting your lazy ass out of bed and getting a job, then don't ask for the honest folks to pay your way. When working the food stamp office I have seen a lot, I've seen people that are really trying to get work and people who get out of bed at 1 or 2 in the afternoon to come and renew their lone star card. The ones who show up at 1 or 2 in the afternoon in their pj's looking for a handout generally reek of pot and booze or one of the two. You can tell me I'm wrong if you wish, but go to your local food stamp office and just hang out for a while don't apply for any thing just tell them you are there giving someone a ride and watch the folks that come in.

    +1,000.................Sadly the art of drawing welfare is passed down from generation to generation. Yes it's an art of at the least knowing the tricks of the trade to qualify for welfare and food stamps. I'm not saying everyone on welfare and food stamps are abusing the system but I personally know several families who should qualify but don't simply because they are honest and answer questions ask by a social workers honestly. And don't get me started on Handicap Parking..........!!
     

    GM.Chief

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    I feel that a drug test for welfare is an excellent way to go. I know a few families (some of them are relatives) who receive/or did receive welfare and were doing drugs the entire time. I'm pretty sure that if commiefornia required this, they could pay off the state deficit in 5 years because 90% of the people on it would lose bennies.

    As far as snip-snip, I disagree. For the cost of surgery, we may as well keep them on, not to mention how long until the gov. decides it gets to handle population control whenever it feels like it.
     

    M. Sage

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    Yeah, but it would just add to the cost (as HKUSP45C already pointed out) of what we're already being fleeced out of.

    The drugs aren't the problem (not the main one, anyway). We really need to set a per-person lifetime cap on welfare benefits. If they can only draw benefits for six months and their time is up, guess what? Incentive to either get a job or get more involved in criminal activity (and wind up getting shot). Either way, we win.
     

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    How about we just end the handout altogether. You can't find a job. Here's a can of paint, a roller and wall covered in graffiti. When you're finished we'll pay you. Here's a trash bag and a park covered in trash. When the bag is full, you'll get a check.

    Our cities, towns, villages, etc. all need some work done. Not enough to require hiring full time employees, but enough to be worth handing someone a small check. I think if you give them enough crappy jobs, they will try a bit harder to find a real job.
     

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    How about we just end the handout altogether. You can't find a job. Here's a can of paint, a roller and wall covered in graffiti. When you're finished we'll pay you. Here's a trash bag and a park covered in trash. When the bag is full, you'll get a check.

    Our cities, towns, villages, etc. all need some work done. Not enough to require hiring full time employees, but enough to be worth handing someone a small check. I think if you give them enough crappy jobs, they will try a bit harder to find a real job.

    +1000 Cut 'em off! Anybody who tells you that they can't find work, ain't been lookin'.
     

    M. Sage

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    Hey, some safety net isn't a bad thing. Bad things happen to good people and it's sometimes beyond their control. That's why I'm OK with the concept of limited benefits.

    It would probably not be a bad idea to get the federal government out of the charity business, though. I think it would be more effective if it was run locally.
     

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    Hell yes I support this 1000000000000%... I also think that if you are already on Welfare or food stamps and you already have 2+ children you should have to sign a statement that says that you will use preventative measures... This country doesn't screen who they just deliver money too... Wonder why we're in debt?... Let's look at the people that fill our supermarkets, our liquor stores, our drug stores, etc.
     
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