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Any change in the Notification requirement for TExas CHL holders?

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    I heard a rumor that we would not have to inform a cop that we were carrying concealed?
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    As of Sept 1 you are still required to display your CHL, however the 30 day suspension for failure to display has been removed.... So yes and no...
     

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    Now that is interesting.

    Here is my license and CHL.

    But no reqreuiment to say that I am carrying.

    Of course, the cop is going to ask me when I hand him my CHL.
     

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    The original intent was to do away completley with the failure to display because of the change allowing concealed carry in your automobile. The thought behind it was that since an unlicensed person carrying in their vehicle was under no obliigation to inform the officer, why should we? The closest they could get was to remove the penalty for failure to display.....
     

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    So we basically have a rule with no consequence if Im reading it right.
    Kinda like playing a messed up game of baseball. 3 strikes and you get to try again.
     
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    I believe that the CHL is linked to your Texas DL. Therefore, the cop who is pulling you over has already run your plate and probably is aware you are a CHL holder. If you do not present your CHL, wouldn't the cop believe you to be evasive? Just a question...any LE should pipe in here I think.
     

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    I believe that the CHL is linked to your Texas DL. Therefore, the cop who is pulling you over has already run your plate and probably is aware you are a CHL holder. If you do not present your CHL, wouldn't the cop believe you to be evasive? Just a question...any LE should pipe in here I think.
    Yes and no, you are not required to display if you are not carrying, so having your CHL linked to your DL, which it is, serves no purpose other than to tell the officer that you MIGHT be armed
     

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    Here is my radical thought for the day . . . . why would the cop care if I have a Gun? The fact is that its none of the cops business if I have a gun.

    I am more worried that some dumbo cop is going to shoot me or himselfwhile he is fiddlefarting around with my gun for "My safety" than if it stays in it holster.

    That is why the cop shouldn't need to know about my firearms that are on my person or in my car.

    Telling a cop that you are armed is asking for trouble becasue it tempts him to handle your firearms and remove it from the holster.

    Just my opinion.
     

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    Interesting thought SC

    I have never had one "take it" from me

    I have had them ask where is was, I have had them tell me just to keep my hands either out the window or on the steering wheel.

    I did have one ask me to remove it from the holster and leave it in the seat with my off hand then put my hands on the wheel and get out.

    Most have just asked for me to not reach in the area of it.

    Yes I get stopped all the time, last time was Saturday for running a red light, left skid marks from the stock trailer brakes through the intersection.
    He was cool about it and did not even mind the six gun rig sitting in the back seat exposed.
     

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    I believe that the CHL is linked to your Texas DL. Therefore, the cop who is pulling you over has already run your plate and probably is aware you are a CHL holder. If you do not present your CHL, wouldn't the cop believe you to be evasive? Just a question...any LE should pipe in here I think.


    CHL is linked to you TDL, not your vehicle registration.

    By not displaying their CHL, I wouldn't say they're evasive, Id assume they aren't carrying. However, I would ask them if they're and CHL holder and if they are armed.

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    HMFIC

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    Here is my radical thought for the day . . . . why would the cop care if I have a Gun? The fact is that its none of the cops business if I have a gun.

    I am more worried that some dumbo cop is going to shoot me or himselfwhile he is fiddlefarting around with my gun for "My safety" than if it stays in it holster.

    That is why the cop shouldn't need to know about my firearms that are on my person or in my car.

    Telling a cop that you are armed is asking for trouble becasue it tempts him to handle your firearms and remove it from the holster.

    Just my opinion.

    I disagree with part of your statement. Let me preface this by saying I have never disarmed a CHL holder, nor have I ever felt the need to handle their pistols, unless they were being arrested.

    I feel that is the right of the Officer to know if you are armed, for obvious safety reasons. If you are carrying, Id like to know where and if its the type of weapon listed(rev or S/A).

    However, I will agree with Sean that some Officers have no business trying to remove guns and "make them safe" during a routine contact; unless an arrest is being made. Some have problems handling their own gun.:(

    If the Officer knows your a CHL holder, I dont see a problem with asking, knowing and verifying that CHL holder is carrying what they are qualified with.

    Officer should just make it very clear not to reach towards the pistol during the contact.

    I carry off duty, and I would have a problem with being disarmed for a routine traffic stop.

    Frank
     

    HMFIC

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    HMFIC....

    Is this the same screen name/person from the old Houston Sportbikes Network forum?

    Yes it is, but I sold the R1 and only have the YZ400F that I haven't ridden in a few yrs...

    U still ride the 9R?

    Frank
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Yes it is, but I sold the R1 and only have the YZ400F that I haven't ridden in a few yrs...

    U still ride the 9R?

    Frank

    Glad to hear from ya, nope sold it & bought a 1000RR & then got rid of all (3) bikes & bought the 996 (Porsche) "to get my speed fix"....

    Pete is here as well....TXSUT is his screen name.

    Sorry for the off topic posts people, please return to your regularly scheduled program...
     

    HMFIC

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    Either my memory is getting really bad, or you never told me about the RR. :confused:

    I PM'd with Frank while back; he knows I am here...which is probably why he doesn't visit very much.

    You joined HSN, I left....You joined here, I left....

    I didnt think youd catch on...LOL

    I just come to this forum 2-3 times/mo....


    Ive actually been getting the itch to buy another cycle....
     

    DoubleActionCHL

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    As of Sept 1 you are still required to display your CHL, however the 30 day suspension for failure to display has been removed.... So yes and no...

    Not to pick knits (whatever those are) but failure to display is a 90 day suspension, not 30.

    Also, from TSRA:

    Eliminate Notification Requirement & Associated Penalties for CHLs -HB 410 by Rep. Isett (R-Lubbock) & SB 838 by Sen. Hinojosa (D-McAllen)
    Stand-a-lone legislation to repeal the requirement for a CHL when carrying their handgun and stopped by Law Enforcement to display their license and repealing the penalty.​


    This bill failed but language was amended to HB 2730 by Kolkhorst (R-Brenham) the DPS Sunset bill. A CHL is still required to display their license to law enforcement when in possession of their handgun but there is no penalty for failure to do so.

    And a little more interesting information:
    DPS Sunset Bill~HB 2730 by Rep. Kolkhorst (R-Brenham) & Sen. Juan Hinojosa (D-McAllen)
    This 207 page omnibus bill dealing with most departments within the Texas Department of Public Safety became a vehicle for change in the last days of session. Below are some of the highlights that should have positive impact on CHL instructors and the licensing process. A step in the right direction toward streamlining.​
    Passed!
    Below is a brief summary of the changes related to Concealed Carry Licensing and Eligibility:
    No more TR-100s and no more $5 charge per form. The language was stricken. Instructors will only have to go to Austin to renew their certification every four years, can renew on the Internet in between:​

    • All application materials will be available on the Internet.
    • Delinquent school loans are no longer disqualifying for a CHL.
    • Any conviction that was set aside, voided, or any manner invalidated will no longer be a "conviction" for CHL purposes.
    • In order to be disqualifying for CHL purposes, a "conviction" must be classified as a felony both at the time it was committed and at the time of application for a CHL.
    • The duty to display your CHL when asked for ID remains, but the penalty for not doing so is repealed.


     
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