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    Back in 2011 I started a game with some friends of mine where we all worked on improving our ability to buy things and resell them for a profit (stuff from garage sales, craigslist and so on). By the end of the year I got really good at it and it has become practically a second job. Since that time I've tried to pick a different area and spend a year improving myself in it. There are so many ways I could improve myself that it just seems overwhelming and unless I pick one main area I lose the drive/focus to keep at it.

    I have picked survival readiness for 2014. I am very unprepared for just about all situations. I know nothing of hunting, fishing, camping, and so on. I dont even know how to swim. I have no real plan for what to do in an emergency situation and no stockpile of things needed to survive. I know I cannot tackle all of these issues at once so I wanted to break it up by months. Have 12 different categories of how to improve myself in this area. I need your help trying to figure out which 12 to do and which one to put where in the year.

    I know I want to do
    -Swimming (this one will need to be in a summerish month like May/June)
    -Supplies (water, food, ammo stockpiles, and probably setting up a decent bug out bag)
    -Small game hunting (I dont know the best month for this, if anyone has a suggestion please let me know)
    -Camping (this one Id like to do near the end because it will test many of the other skills too)
    -Scavenging (need to know what in nature can be food and what to stay away from)
    -Self defense (both lethal and non lethal)
    -Fishing (again I have no idea what the best time of year to do this is)

    Im sure there are more areas that I need to add. Please any help you could give me in what other categories I need and how I should order them would be awesome. Thank you all and if anyone is interested in doing something similar to this with me it would be great to not have to do this alone.
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    Survival is an extremely wide topic with a nearly infinite number if variables.

    The big one is deciding if you will put the bulk if your efforts towards bugging out or bugging in.

    What I did was make the old brainstorming chart like we did in school learning to come up with ideas for papers. I made a circle in the center and write "survival" in it. Then made smaller circles around the outside with things that would be needed to survive. Food, water, shelter, defense, first aid/medicine, and communication were the main ones.


    Then I went to another page and started again with one of the smaller circles. Lets say water because if the climate is good it will be one of the main priorities, that or shelter, but I will stick with water or now.

    Put water in the center circlet and around the outside put the sources you can think of. All of them, even if they seem far fetched. creeks, stockpiled bottled water, water left in the house (water heater, toilet tanks, etc), creeks, lakes, etc. Around those smaller circles put what would be needed to access and use that water and risks associated.

    Then you can look at your options and decided which is the best way for you to prepare based on what's available, cost to make it viable, and how long you could make the resource last, and risk involved.

    Do this with each of your subjects from the first page and when you have found what you believe to be the best options for your situation concentrate on those. I would put your efforts in to things that could be immediately put in to use and later work on the long term stuff.

    When I did this I realized there wasn't really a way to just think through this in my head and cover my bases. I also realized just how difficult things will be if a long term scenario plays out. But it made it much easier to figure out just where I needed to concentrate my efforts.
     

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    This topic is not new, but it does provoke thought.

    The only thing that would cause me to bug out would be a conflagration that would burn my homestead to ashes. Otherwise, I would stay put and defend what I have until the very bitter end.

    Off the top of my head, here is what I think everyone (no matter where they live) should do or have on hand:

    1. Potable drinking water.

    2. Long shelf-life food: Canned, dehydrated, dry staples.

    3. Sanitation: Soap, bleach, disinfectant, toilet paper, plastic trash bags, water filter.

    4. Emergency medical supplies and prescription medications.

    5. Communications -- Shortwave radio, CB radio, AM radio, GMRS, etc.

    6. Power Generation: Solar cells, stand alone gasoline/diesel generators, wind turbines, power inverters, fuel.

    7. Perimeter defense: Dogs, trip wires, motion detectors, fences, barricades.

    8. Support by Fire. Enlist your neighbors into planning for a SHTF scenario, coordinate sectors of fire, communications, signals, block area access, and plan for breaches of the perimeter.

    9. Be prepared to repel marauders with lethal force.

    10. Have food for your dogs.
     

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    I think the important stuff has been covered. The first question is, what do you want to survive? Your survival scenario will have an impact on what and how you need to learn.

    I'll go along with everyone above and say priority one is water. Now look up how much water weighs per gallon and determine how long you want to survive. Do the math and you'll understand how all your plans need to revolve around water.
     

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    Back in 2011 I started a game with some friends of mine where we all worked on improving our ability to buy things and resell them for a profit (stuff from garage sales, craigslist and so on). By the end of the year I got really good at it and it has become practically a second job.
    Sorry to be off topic, but where would you typically re-sell the stuff you bought at garage sales or other places?


    On topic, your priorities for survival are:
    1. water
    2. food
    3. shelter
    4. security
    5. medical
    6. trade (sounds like you have that one covered)

    You might be able to combine some priorities so that one satisfies the other. For example, a rainwater collection system could be the roof for your shelter. If well thought out, your shelter could provide some security, too.

    Touching the subjects you seem interested in:
    Yes, wait till warmer weather to start swimming, lol... Not sure what advice I can give you there. As long as you don't freak out, instinct should just take over. Start off pushing a pool noodle around until you get the hang of treading water. Then start working on covering distance. Look up some videos on how to swim.

    Small game hunting is good year round. Squirrels, rabbits, and raccoons are all delicious and generally pretty easy to shoot. Learning to spot them is the key because they tend to blend into their background. Sometimes squirrels will try to hide from you, but most of the time they'll just hang out on a branch looking at you. They feel safe in the trees. Sometimes they'll even help you spot them by barking at you. :laughing: Raccoons are curious and will want to get a look at you. It makes them easier to shoot, but they are stealthy little buggers. Rabbits will freeze when they see you and let their natural camouflage hide them. They are hard to see when still so a lot of people try to flush them and shoot them on the run with a shotgun. I prefer to just keep my eyes pealed and pop them with a .22 when they are nice and still for me. There's lots of videos on youtube on how to skin and clean small game.

    You can fish year round too, but the fish behave a little differently when its cold as opposed to warm. A lot of fishing has to do with understanding the behavior of the fish you want to catch. There's lots of info out there on that.

    Supplies... How will you store all that food you catch? I prefer to freeze fish. That's the closest to fresh that you can keep it. Other meats I prefer to can. Canned rabbit stew is shelf stable and very tasty even a year or two after canning. A lot of the supply side of things is logistics. Where are you going to store this stuff? How are you going to secure it? How will you transport it?

    You can do dumbass Bear Grylls camping if you really want to, but I've found the camping experience is greatly improved with good equipment. A good knife or three, a good tent, a good sleeping bag, good environment appropriate clothing, a good side arm for defense, a good first aid kit, a good axe if you can carry it, a good backpack to carry all that crap in... these would be my bare minimum. If you want to catch your own food then .22 rifle for hunting or fishing poles for fishing or snare wire for trapping. Some MREs or other portable food for when you don't catch anything.
    :laughing: I think you get the idea. Keep the survival priority list in mind when packing for camping.

    Self defense... Since you're on this forum I'm going to guess you can already shoot, lol... Sign up for a martial arts class.
     
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    ag1052

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    Thanks everyone... I cant believe I forgot first aid! I think adding first aid, security, and communication are all great additions to the list.

    Sorry to be off topic, but where would you typically re-sell the stuff you bought at garage sales or other places?
    Depends on what it is. I use to collect retro video games and I know that market really well. Anytime I found something along those lines I would sell it on nintendoage.com a website that has some serious collectors on it. I sold some stuff through craigs list but the main place I sold just about everything was on local facebook garage sale groups. I just paid attention to what was in high demand on there and the going rates for stuff. Ive been able to pay for my hobbies like guns and ammo from the profits I make buying and selling.
     

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    My thoughts on preps and survival...

    These are two different things:

    Preps: these are the activities you take to have things available to you to allow you to sustain trouble (of whatever sort) for a while.
    Survival: skills that will allow you to survive or exist with little

    They kind of go hand-in-hand, but are a little different.

    I would focus on building them in layers of usefulness - start with the preps/skills you would need to survive for 2 weeks without leaving your house. Once you get to this point, work toward one month. By these things I mean water, food, medical supplies, sanitation, consumables (PTs, TP, etc). This can help in a lot of situations - loss of power, injury that prevents you from getting out, loss of a job and the temporary lack of incoming funds, etc.

    Then I would look at what you would need if you had to leave (I hate using the term bugout - makes me feel like a wannabe) and where you could go. This could be for any reason: rioting, looting, flooding, hurricane, fire. Whatever the reason, you have to either have a place of your own or some friends/family to go to. Can you stock some supplies there?

    I think the survival skills are a little further out, after you have done these other things because these other scenarios are more likely. The ability to go out into the woods, hunt/fish, build shelter, start fire, etc all seem cool, but are much less likely to be used. Good skills to have for sure, but not something that will be useful in most cases.

    Along with survival skills are things that you could do to sustain yourself in some crazy situation where things cease to exist like we know them - no government or corporations, no jobs. So, you would need some kind of skills to produce your own food or trade for food, shelter, etc. While being independent and self-sustainable is an awesome goal, it would be very difficult for most of us. It would also be hard to reach this goal any time soon. Not saying it isn't a good goal - it happens to be one of mine for eventually, but that's a ways off.

    You may meet a lot of good people and learn a lot of great things in this pursuit. It is overwhelming sometimes thinking about everything you could need to learn to really survive. But....take it in layers and start with what you can do now that is most likely to help you in any situation.

    Need to get back to bed cause I'm tired, so I'm done babbling for now. Good luck.
     

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    Ditto on water. I have been prepping before it was called prepping, mostly because of my remote location.
    A simple way to remember priorities: BEANS, BULLETS, BANDAIDS.

    Design your mission. Assume as a starting plan that in 14 days law & order, water and food will be fully restored. Katrina proved that In a large scale disaster or extended loss of electrical power, civilization will break down in 72 hours but never got to total anarchy for an extended period if the a Federal Govt can respond.

    Anything beyond these parameters gets very expensive and takes commitment from a large team that will band together.

    Starter kit

    1. Buy a quality but basic AR15, 20 quality Magazines, a bottle of CLP, and ammo to fill the mags and for a lot of practice. Get very good with the one rifle at all ranges, Learn how to use it for defensive purposes. Assume no hunting, you want to stay quiet and not obvious. This will be $1800. Don't go gun crazy buying a bunch of guns first.

    2. Buy a 55 gallon food grade drum and fill it with water, treat with chlorine such as what you get from an RV place. This will give you a one week supply for 4 people. Buy a Berkey filter, life straws, and a lot of chlorox or pool shock.

    3. Put back 14 days of long term food storage. This will be about $500. You will need a way to heat it- camping stove or spare butane bottles for your gas grill.

    4. Assemble a DIY trauma first aid kit. Wound treatment to stop blood loss, antibiotics, burn treatment, dehydration treatment, pain killers. This will be at least $250. Take a first aid class.

    5. Commo gear. As a minimum a solar charger for your cell phone and a wind up AM/FM radio.

    6. Quality working/walking shoes, working clothes, hat, and a pair of leather gloves.

    7. Develop ways to keep warm and dry if you lose power. wool blankets, sleeping bags, etc.

    8. A paper map of the US and State. Assume you are following radio news reports and trying to gauge distance to trouble or safety.

    9. Always keep vehicle 1/2 full of gas. If possible, store one complete refill treated with gas treatment. At least keep an empty 6 gallon can.

    10. A five gallon bucket and a toilet lid that fits the bucket - for sanitary use. Also a Shovel and TP. This will be about $75. During Hurticane Rita we had to leave due to having under 18 year old kids. We made it about 80 miles inland, gridlocked and the entire family detoured to an elderly aunt's in the country near Sealy. I thought I was prepared. Her septic overloaded in an hour. We agreed the aunt would use her one inside toilet. I dug a slit trench in my deceased uncle's cow shed with my shovel. I was used to going to the bathroom in the field. My wife, daughters, and sisters still talk about it. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Luggable-Loo-Bucket-Lid-Toilet-Seat/713828.uts

    This along with the food & first aid may be the ways to encourage a spouse into prepping.

    Get in shape, start with walking, 2 miles a day will do wonders for the body.

    I also strongly recommend a Bible if you don't have one . There are no atheists in foxholes.

    Have fun,
    RFA
     
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    I think the big issue with people that are "prepping" is they get a bunch of STUFF, but don't really get the right things or know how to use them.

    I would start small scale and move up, and change your lifestyle. There are a lot of scenarios that happen at a regular basis you can use to understand long term problems.

    1) Spend time in the public, and watch the injuries that happen and how they happen. Generally it will be people falling and scraping their leg, tripping, a branch hitting them in the face... small things. Things we don't even bat an eye at, but tripping and banging up your knee in the woods could lead to infection (game over) or a nasty bruise that makes travel difficult. Look at injuries such as these, set up medical care that you can bring with you, and lean to improvise.

    2) Grab a backpack/bug out bag and go camping overnight frequently. You'll learn very quickly how rain and climate can really affect things, how much weight you can handle walking long distances, and what you may need or use. Bring this up to 2-3 days, and it becomes even more apparent. This is good at leaning what may happen if you are on a long drive away from civilization and the car breaks down or you are camping and get lost and it takes a few extra days to get back.

    3) Buy a limited amount of food on a budget, then try to make it last. A good way to do this is buy meals for a day, then make it last two or three. It's not long enough to worry about nutritional issues generally, but you may get hungry enough to improvise. Then move up to not using electricity for cooking or storage for that time. For some people it's remarkably easy, but for others you may realize very quickly you may need to plant a garden or store different things in the house.

    4) Don't use public utilities for a day or two. Having 904359403 rounds of ammo and 23432 firearms probably won't do you much good, but having candles, ways to light them, blankets, water storage, food, etc probably will.

    I grew up in the country in Kansas, where power outages happened if it rained the least little bit. It wasn't rare for power to be out a day at a time. (By not rare, I would say 5% of the time we had power go out.) It also snowed/iced which made some roads in the country nearly impassable. Or there was tornado threats which meant we had to go to the basement with supplies. There was a lot of "being prepared for that day, or short term" that lends itself to long term very well. There were days where my mother said "We are having fish for dinner." So, that means we pack up, hike or take a horse to a pond, catch fish, hike back, clean them, and such. You learn a lot.

    Also, learn to read/make maps and basic navigation. I think it's underrated, but helps TREMENDOUSLY. A pen, paper, and compass may be a whole lot more valuable than an AR and a bunch of ammo.

    The biggest thing in my opinion is learn to do things without asking for help, making trips to the store, or calling someone to assist. My girlfriend locked her keys in the car one day... so we opened it without damage by using fishing line, a soda can, and a pry bar. (fishing line and pry bar I had in my EDC/get home bag) and can we found in a parking lot. I can sit and list a billion examples of little things having a good EDC bag and improvising have done... but it's better just to look at these little things in life and figure it out.

    Another good tip is make things you use every day more "survival" oriented. Make everything you can multi-purpose. It sounds silly, but I wear a trainers belt instead of something fancy, have a carabiner on my keys, and paracord bracelet. That's really all you need for a decent emergency repelling setup. Shemagh instead of a normal "scarf" can be used as a small blanket, to carry things in, wrap your head, bandage, etc. My flashlight has a glassbreaker/impact tool on it. (It works very well for taking apart a glock or 1911 slide as well.)
     

    HKaltwasser

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    Survival is an extremely wide topic with a nearly infinite number if variables.

    The big one is deciding if you will put the bulk if your efforts towards bugging out or bugging in.

    What I did was make the old brainstorming chart like we did in school learning to come up with ideas for papers. I made a circle in the center and write "survival" in it. Then made smaller circles around the outside with things that would be needed to survive. Food, water, shelter, defense, first aid/medicine, and communication were the main ones.


    Then I went to another page and started again with one of the smaller circles. Lets say water because if the climate is good it will be one of the main priorities, that or shelter, but I will stick with water or now.

    Put water in the center circlet and around the outside put the sources you can think of. All of them, even if they seem far fetched. creeks, stockpiled bottled water, water left in the house (water heater, toilet tanks, etc), creeks, lakes, etc. Around those smaller circles put what would be needed to access and use that water and risks associated.

    Then you can look at your options and decided which is the best way for you to prepare based on what's available, cost to make it viable, and how long you could make the resource last, and risk involved.

    Do this with each of your subjects from the first page and when you have found what you believe to be the best options for your situation concentrate on those. I would put your efforts in to things that could be immediately put in to use and later work on the long term stuff.

    When I did this I realized there wasn't really a way to just think through this in my head and cover my bases. I also realized just how difficult things will be if a long term scenario plays out. But it made it much easier to figure out just where I needed to concentrate my efforts.

    This is the best place to start.^^^^^

    Having a plan and a small group that can equally participate in that plan, would help tremendously. Pick people that are stable/moral compass and that have certain skills or are willing to develop them. A sustainable group is a good piece to a puzzle, it's just finding like minded individuals that will stay focused over long periods leading up to a possible scenario.

    I know it can be overwhelming, but once you dive in, you will eventually have to set limits on how far you are willing to go. Otherwise , it just eats up too much time and money and you don't want to be too obsessive about it. Keep it in a realistic realm of possibilities, which seems vast nowdays but......
     

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    Study Native American history. They did fine before European people came and screwed it up.
    Every region had different cultures and skills based on given climate and resources.
     

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    Maybe a good way to share ideas would be for everyone to list what they have in their preps.
    I learned something I didn't think about before from the post from shortround. I had not thought about dog food. It's now going to be part of my preps.

    For my list, I have 8 weeks of the following:

    Food -
    Bottled water
    Gatorade
    Powdered milk
    Juice
    Canned Tuna
    Canned ham
    Canned vegetables
    Canned fruits
    Rice
    Pasta
    Cereal
    Granola bars
    Mac and Cheese
    1/2 case of salt
    Salad dressing (you can make a salad out of things found in nature like dandelion greens, or have a garden)
    Condiments

    Non-food related items:
    Water sterilizer device
    Bandages and medical tape, gauze, and splints
    Suture kit
    5 bottles of rubbing alchohol
    5 bottles of peroxide
    8 bottles of hand sanitizer
    Sterile latex gloves
    Tylenol, aspirin, Advil
    Enough batteries to power 4 lanterns and 6 flashlights for at least 8 weeks
    Solar panel to charge large deep cycle marine battery
    Ham radio equipment powered by marine battery, as well as handheld units and 2 battery powered handheld units
    Multi-function knives.
    Duraflame logs
    6 rolls of duct tape
    4 gallons of bleach
    4 tarps
    500' plastic sheeting

    Guns and ammo

    Plus I'm sure there's more that I don't even remember.
     
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    I learned something I didn't think about before from the post from shortround. I had not thought about dog food. It's now going to be part of my preps.
    Just rename your dog "emergency rations" and the problem of not having enough dog food is self correcting ;)
     

    HKaltwasser

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    I'm good with sharing:

    Several pounds of brown rice
    several pounds of beans...pinto, red etc
    Several pounds of salt
    Several pounds of sugar
    200 or so cans of food: tuna, salmon, veggies, soups,spam,canned meat, corn beef etc
    stored spices galore
    MRE's
    Freeze dried food
    Olive oil frozen
    several pounds of pasta
    350,000 heirloom seeds
    8-7 gallon water storage jugs
    bottled water
    10,000 gallons water stored water collection
    Dog food

    Several gallons of bleach
    15 bottles of peroxide
    defferent % rubbing alcohol 8 bottles
    multi vtamins
    chidren's tylenol and advil
    Advil
    mucinex
    5 tubes triple antibiotic
    several rolls duct tape,maskin tape
    30 bars lever2000,shampoo, 500 maxi's
    fish mox(amoxicillan)
    trauma pack with several small first aid packs
    Battle rig
    kevlar armor with plates
    undislcosed amount of ammo, including several thousand pellets
    whole container of batteries, including 100 ct cr2032 scope batteries, and several lithium flashlight c4 batteries.
    2 way walkies (need ham handheld)
    chickens
    good bates RAT boots and Flecktarn load
    several candles/lighters/matches
    2-bottles vodka and packs of cigs
    diamtacious earth
    erath tubes
    off
    50 rolls TP
    Paper plates, plastic ware etc
    500g propane tank....need solar panels next project
    water treatment tabs

    I know I have more in my dedicated room , I might just have to edit as I remember or look through it.
     
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    I'm good with sharing:

    Several pounds of brown rice
    several pounds of beans...pinto, red etc
    Several pounds of salt
    Several pounds of sugar
    200 or so cans of food: tuna, salmon, veggies, soups,spam,canned meat, corn beef etc
    stored spices galore
    MRE's
    Freeze dried food
    Olive oil frozen
    several pounds of pasta
    350,000 heirloom seeds
    8-7 gallon water storage jugs
    bottled water
    10,000 gallons water stored water collection
    Dog food

    Several gallons of bleach
    15 bottles of peroxide
    defferent % rubbing alcohol 8 bottles
    multi vtamins
    chidren's tylenol and advil
    Advil
    mucinex
    5 tubes triple antibiotic
    several rolls duct tape,maskin tape
    30 bars lever2000,shampoo, 500 maxi's
    fish mox(amoxicillan)
    trauma pack with several small first aid packs
    Battle rig
    kevlar armor with plates
    undislcosed amount of ammo, including several thousand pellets
    whole container of batteries, including 100 ct cr2032 scope batteries, and several lithium flashlight c4 batteries.
    2 way walkies (need ham handheld)
    chickens
    good bates RAT boots and Flecktarn load
    several candles/lighters/matches
    2-bottles vodka and packs of cigs
    diamtacious earth
    erath tubes
    off
    50 rolls TP
    Paper plates, plastic ware etc
    500g propane tank....need solar panels next project
    water treatment tabs

    I know I have more in my dedicated room , I might just have to edit as I remember or look through it.

    I recently saw rubbing alcohol comes in different percentages? What are the different ones used for?

    Also 10,000 gallons of stored water is awesome.

    Considering i just saw "Come and Take It!" with an AR stenciled in a neighbors garage...im starting to think we might have a nice little fire team on my street.
     

    HKaltwasser

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    I recently saw rubbing alcohol comes in different percentages? What are the different ones used for?

    Also 10,000 gallons of stored water is awesome.

    Considering i just saw "Come and Take It!" with an AR stenciled in a neighbors garage...im starting to think we might have a nice little fire team on my street.

    I use lower % rubbing alcohol for the cuts, scrapes and mosquito bites. The higher ones for cleaning hands, surfaces, removing residue and general disinfectant.

    It sounds like you have some good neighbors to work with.
     

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    I'm good with sharing:

    Several pounds of brown rice
    several pounds of beans...pinto, red etc
    Several pounds of salt
    Several pounds of sugar
    200 or so cans of food: tuna, salmon, veggies, soups,spam,canned meat, corn beef etc
    stored spices galore
    MRE's
    Freeze dried food
    Olive oil frozen
    several pounds of pasta
    350,000 heirloom seeds
    8-7 gallon water storage jugs
    bottled water
    10,000 gallons water stored water collection
    Dog food

    Several gallons of bleach
    15 bottles of peroxide
    defferent % rubbing alcohol 8 bottles
    multi vtamins
    chidren's tylenol and advil
    Advil
    mucinex
    5 tubes triple antibiotic
    several rolls duct tape,maskin tape
    30 bars lever2000,shampoo, 500 maxi's
    fish mox(amoxicillan)
    trauma pack with several small first aid packs
    Battle rig
    kevlar armor with plates
    undislcosed amount of ammo, including several thousand pellets
    whole container of batteries, including 100 ct cr2032 scope batteries, and several lithium flashlight c4 batteries.
    2 way walkies (need ham handheld)
    chickens
    good bates RAT boots and Flecktarn load
    several candles/lighters/matches
    2-bottles vodka and packs of cigs

    diamtacious earth
    erath tubes
    off
    50 rolls TP
    Paper plates, plastic ware etc
    500g propane tank....need solar panels next project
    water treatment tabs

    I know I have more in my dedicated room , I might just have to edit as I remember or look through it
    .

    I had to look up what diamtacious earth was and I was impressed with all the possible uses. Is there a specific use you have in mind for it?
     
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