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    Please read: I've lived through what they propose for Texas re: "Blue" transformation

    Why Texans Should Care About What Happens to California Gun Owners | Uncle Thomas

    Being a native Californian and having witnessed what a shit hole the state became after we got too many Democratic immigrants, I can tell you that we need to preserve Texas as a 2A-friendly state.

    They're lining us up in their sights: Democrats launch plan to turn Texas blue - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com

    Everyone needs to get busy, somehow, someway, to keep Texas as it was meant to be. Perhaps at the next show we could meet up and discuss some grass roots organizing to help in this regard. I'm certainly interested in it. If you are, send me a PM.

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    One avenue that seems promising is this site:

    FreedomConnector

    A major problem for organizing is getting in contact with like-minded people. From what I have seen, this site (and I am sure there are others like it) help greatly in this regard.
     

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    I actively fight the encroaching blue everyday. I can definitely see that we are in serious danger of losing important, hard won ground. Our very way of life is at stake. I'm very busy in my own backyard but count me in as someone who can be consulted on grass roots organization and tactics. Feel free to shoot me a PM anytime you wanna discuss.

    Also, your thread title is very vague and will automatically piss some members off. I recommend it be changed to better suit the topic.

    You also give no information about yourself. Are you still in CA? If so what are you doing to help make a change there?

    I noticed in your second post you provided a link to a website; what is your affiliation, if any, to said website?

    We're a pretty trusting group here but if you start off smelling like a rat it's gonna take some work to get that smell off of you.

    Not calling you a rat. Just asking what others are thinking.
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    To clarify: my family and I have relocated to Texas permanently. While I was back in CA, I was actively involved in Calguns for several years trying to increase public awareness of firearms and get people who had never shot before to the range.

    As to the website, I am not shilling for it. I merely recommend it as a means of establishing connections with people interested in preventing what we went through in CA (and later in NY with the "SAFE Act").


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    I love the hypocrisy of Jeremy Bird, the former national field director for Obama’s reelection campaign, who with big money from Libs across the country will start “a grass-roots organization” here in Texas.
     

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    It definitely is bothering me how many New Yorkers and Californians are moving here. I sure have no problem with the freedom loving folks that want to escape those places for greener pastures, but most people leaving those states are following the money. They move to a state like California, vote liberal, win, and then watch the state completely fall apart and go bankrupt in just a few years. Then, when the resources are completely consumed they go "Hey, let's go to Texas. They have money, and we'll just vote liberal to make things feel more like home," which they are trying to do. And if successful, they will witness Texas crash the same way California did. Yay!

    Seriously, if I see one more "Wendy Davis 2014" sticker I may scream.
     

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    It definitely is bothering me how many New Yorkers and Californians are moving here. I sure have no problem with the freedom loving folks that want to escape those places for greener pastures, but most people leaving those states are following the money. They move to a state like California, vote liberal, win, and then watch the state completely fall apart and go bankrupt in just a few years. Then, when the resources are completely consumed they go "Hey, let's go to Texas. They have money, and we'll just vote liberal to make things feel more like home," which they are trying to do. And if successful, they will witness Texas crash the same way California did. Yay!

    Seriously, if I see one more "Wendy Davis 2014" sticker I may scream.

    They are parasites pure and simple.
     

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    I don't think you have a grasp on the issue.

    "They" are not typically parasites. In fact, they probably make more money that you do.

    The parasites are actually the illegal aliens and criminal minority groups whose influx they use to electorally destroy the country.

    In order to defeat the left, you have to understand how they work. The early leftists came from Europe to NYC and such. California used to be a very conservative state until it was overrun by leftists. While there are many shitbags coming from NY and CA, be careful not to overlook the possibility that there are a considerable number of new Texans who know as much or more than you do about the issues we now collectively face.

    For a long time, Texas has been a "free" state. You're going to need our help to keep it that way.

    TXARGUY, I await a response to the PM I sent at your request.
     

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    I don't think you have a grasp on the issue.

    "They" are not typically parasites. In fact, they probably make more money that you do.

    The parasites are actually the illegal aliens and criminal minority groups whose influx they use to electorally destroy the country.

    In order to defeat the left, you have to understand how they work. The early leftists came from Europe to NYC and such. California used to be a very conservative state until it was overrun by leftists. While there are many shitbags coming from NY and CA, be careful not to overlook the possibility that there are a considerable number of new Texans who know as much or more than you do about the issues we now collectively face.

    For a long time, Texas has been a "free" state. You're going to need our help to keep it that way.

    TXARGUY, I await a response to the PM I sent at your request.
    Yuppies are only part of the problem. In my opinion a greater threat to our liberties are the vast pool of poorly Americanized, first generation Hispanics, both legal and illegal. Now, before my antagonists purposely misconstrue that comment to jump my shit, Yo quiero me amigos Mexicano y la espousa de me primo es Mexicana! Back to topic: I worked in construction here in Texas for 10 years from 2001 to 2010, got to meet MANY Hispanics and befriended some. Through no fault of their own, they know virtually nothing of the U.S. Constitution, how it came to be, and it's importance in maintaining a free society. Their overarching motivation was to better themselves financially and unfortunately they perceive the Democrats as the party to achieve that goal. Fortunately Hispanics are traditionally a conservative people and after some "seasoning" can be enticed to vote Republican....some I know do vote that way. It will take some time, but hopefully when the worst of Democrat legislation starts hitting them in the pocket-book, they'll abandon the Democratic Party....hopefully.
     

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    ... Hispanics ... Through no fault of their own, they know virtually nothing of the U.S. Constitution, how it came to be, and it's importance in maintaining a free society. Their overarching motivation was to better themselves financially and unfortunately they perceive the Democrats as the party to achieve that goal. Fortunately Hispanics are traditionally a conservative people and after some "seasoning" can be enticed to vote Republican....
    Consider this thought, which I'm plagiarizing from a speaker I heard a while back whose name I don't remember:

    If the Dems ever succeed in getting a massive amnesty program for illegal aliens, they may help us gun owners in a way they don't comprehend.

    The illegals in this country came from places where they had no rights because they had no economic power. No matter what their laws said in their home countries, they were poor so they lived under the boots of the powerful.

    What happens if we make them all legal in the U.S.? They'll be able to own guns. Think about that. They came from places where all the guns were owned by instruments of the state or criminals, all of whom seemed to be conspiring to make their lives miserable. Guns were symbols of power, symbols that they were not allowed to wield.

    If they become legal here, we need to arm them. We need them to understand that free men own guns. They will have an almost unique ability to understand, at the deepest level of their being, the importance being free and the symbolism of owning guns. Gun ownership, for the newly free, has the potential to be more meaningful to them than it is to most U.S.-born gun owners.

    If we proactively (aggressively, even) reach out to that community and help them understand all this, how do you think they'll react when the liberals come to take away their guns?
     
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    The reason the leftists want to get amnesty is because of the type of people to whom amnesty will largely be given: non-Cuban Latinos. These are lovely people but they're overwhelmingly oriented towards an authoritarian approach to government. Trying to explain all that it means to be a FREE American, which is needed to justify wanting them armed, is unrealistic.

    Face it: if we allow amnesty, we're fucked. The line's drawn and it's do or die time for the Republic.
     

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    Consider this thought, which I'm plagiarizing from a speaker I heard a while back whose name I don't remember:

    If the Dems ever succeed in getting a massive amnesty program for illegal aliens, they may help us gun owners in a way they don't comprehend.

    The illegals in this country came from places where they had no rights because they had no economic power. No matter what their laws said in their home countries, they were poor so they lived under the boots of the powerful.

    What happens if we make them all legal in the U.S.? They'll be able to own guns. Think about that. They came from places where all the guns were owned by instruments of the state or criminals, all of whom seemed to be conspiring to make their lives miserable. Guns were symbols of power, symbols that they were not allowed to wield.

    If they become legal here, we need to arm them. We need them to understand that free men own guns. They will have an almost unique ability to understand, at the deepest level of their being, the importance being free and the symbolism of owning guns. Gun ownership, for the newly free, has the potential to be more meaningful to them than it is to most U.S.-born gun owners.

    If we proactively (aggressively, even) reach out to that community and help them understand all this, how do you think they'll react when the liberals come to take away their guns?
    Exactly Ben. I work with a single Hispanic Mother of three who understands the need for her children to grow up "Gringo". She gave them American names and wants them to fully be part of the American Experience. She knows I'm big into guns and asked me to take her boys and a nephew to the rifle range, which I gladly did. We now have three more converts to our cause.
     

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    They came from places where all the guns were owned by instruments of the state or criminals, all of whom seemed to be conspiring to make their lives miserable.
    That presents a problem in and of itself. It's been my experience that people who come from cultures where only the government and criminals have guns, they are mostly hoplophobes. From their context the only reason someone would have a gun is to commit a crime or enforce authority. It's really difficult to breakdown those fears, but it's not impossible. My girlfriend and her mom(who is from Mexico) were both hoplophobes when I met her, but now they have their own guns and her dad doesn't have to treat his like a dirty secret anymore.

    We really need to have a "take a transplant to the range" day. That goes for the yuppies migrating here from the coasts, too. One of the managers at my work moved here from NYC only three months ago and after a little careful exposure he's already talking about getting a handgun
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    We really need to have a "take a transplant to the range" day. That goes for the yuppies migrating here from the coasts, too.
    I'll take a Yankee to the range any time. I love doing that. I actively seek opportunities to do so.

    I remember taking a young lady from Chicago to the range. She was in Texas for just a couple of weeks for work and I convinced her to go with me to the range on the weekend she was in Dallas. Long story short, the first and only firearm that woman ever held was an H&K MP5. She was interested, then apprehensive, then downright scared, then determined to not let me see fear, then surprised when she pulled the trigger the first time.

    After that, every round that went downrange seemed to make her happier. Once the fun switch was engaged, the smile on her face grew as big as it could possibly get and was frozen on there for the rest of the day. Every time I saw her over the next week, she couldn't stop herself from grinning. She went back to Chicago with tales of the hospitality of Texans and they unusual ways they have fun. She went back an ambassador for "Y'know, guns can actually be fun!"

    As for other transplants, I'd love to see Spanish-language Appleseed events. I'd even try to learn Spanish (again!) if I thought I could help out.
     

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    Hello all. I am the author of the blog post referenced in the OP and I wanted to thank those of you who read it. I am not a native Californian. The Navy brought me here and school is keeping me here for the short term. I am however from a state nearly as bad, Maryland. I know full well what happens when a couple of urban areas are able to dictate what happens to the rest of the state. In MD, you only have to win 4 out of 24 counties to win statewide office or MD's electoral votes. The area I grew up in, the Eastern Shore, which is home to hunters, farmers, watermen, 2A supporters and people who generally want to keep the government (and each other) out of our lives, has been marginalized for years by Annapolis, Baltimore and the surrounding areas. We even had our governor remark in 1991 that the Eastern Shore was the "s**thouse" side of Maryland.

    I've enjoyed my stays in TX at Lackland AFB and NAS CC. My grandmother was from Galveston. I plan on continuing to fight the unconstitutional laws in CA while I am here and even after, but I hope one day to plant my roots in Texas.
     

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    ...I'd love to see Spanish-language Appleseed events. I'd even try to learn Spanish (again!) if I thought I could help out.
    I think we have a hope in the Hispanic community and that is where we should focus our efforts. Blacks are a lost cause and can't see past Obama's color to realize what a feckless, incompetent, corrupt buffoon he is. In spite of Obama's failures, four out of five Blacks inexplicably still support him and would be difficult to wean away from the Democrats. Hispanics approval, however, of Obama from December 2012 through November 2013 fell 23 percentage points, from 75 percent to 52 percent. That is a significant shift that we can and should exploit.
     

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    I think we have a hope in the Hispanic community and that is where we should focus our efforts. Blacks are a lost cause and can't see past Obama's color to realize what a feckless, incompetent, corrupt buffoon he is.

    I would argue that nobody is a lost cause. While I agree that Hispanics should be a higher priority to take away from the Democrats due to numbers and some cultural issues, not even trying get blacks on the pro-2A, small government train is foolish, especially when it costs you next to nothing, on a personal level, to try.

    I myself am black. I have convinced many other blacks to take up the cause of liberty. The immediate payoff may be small, but it's a seed that has room to grow.
     

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    I'm always interested in getting together to join the fight, but too many groups have an alternate agenda. I have little time like us all, but what I have left is certainly worth such a valid cause.

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    I would argue that nobody is a lost cause. While I agree that Hispanics should be a higher priority to take away from the Democrats due to numbers and some cultural issues, not even trying get blacks on the pro-2A, small government train is foolish, especially when it costs you next to nothing, on a personal level, to try.

    I myself am black. I have convinced many other blacks to take up the cause of liberty. The immediate payoff may be small, but it's a seed that has room to grow.
    Hard to imagine anything much tougher than being a Black Conservative/Libertarian in today's political climate. I don't know if the TEA Party meshes sufficiently with your beliefs to convince you to join, but you'd be welcome and it would go a long ways to counter the media lies that the TEA Party is racist. Gallup: Tea Parties most racially balanced - National Conservative | Examiner.com
     
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