Now paranoid about Glock purchase

[LFD2037]

After reading alot of negative views about the (un)safety & unintentional firing of them. I have a 6 year old daughter & have taught, & continue to teach, her gun safety. She knows if she see's a gun anywhere to not touch it & notify an adult. BUT, and a very BIG but, should I be looking @ a different gun than the G 27 I'm about to purchase? The only time she would actually ever be around it is if she climbs in my truck & starts digging around, which USUALLY doesn't happen. Should I be looking @ a gun w/more safety's? Please don't turn this into a Glock Vs. ? thread. I understand they say it has 3 safety's and how they work but in my eyes, it's truely only 1. Thanks for yall's input.

 

[iratollah]

Get a P7, she'll not have the strength to hold the squeeze cocker. Plus, that pistol shoots like a ray gun. Finally, get a touch pad bedside safe and keep that sucker locked up, because no matter what precautions you take, kids can find a way to circumvent.

 

[Stangfan93]

There is the obvious trigger safety. Then there is also a drop safety where if you drop the gun it will not fire. Then the other one I forgot.

There is actually a company that can install a thumb safety on your glock. I forgot who does it but you can find it in the ads in the back of gun mags

 

[DirtyD]

Not to sound like a d!ck, but a saftey does not replace responsable gun ownership or parenting... that being said I have two kids and own Glock and XD both. If my children are home my gun is either on my hip or in the safe, period, they are NEVER left alone around a hand gun. With that being said I think if you are uncomfortable enough, then perhaps you should look into something with a longer, heavier double action pull. If a child can figure out a trigger (or half these damn video games they play) then they sure as hell can figure out how to operate a saftey.

 

[htxred]

not to sound like a asshole but maybe someone should sit down and talk/teach you gun safety and responsibility.

tons of police officers are issued/use/carry glocks daily and im pretty sure a large percentage has children of 6 years old or younger/older.... and ironically, EVERYONE has a story about a LEO they saw/know/heard of that had an AD/ND/did something that would be considered not safe.

 

[Texas1911]

After reading alot of negative views about the (un)safety & unintentional firing of them. I have a 6 year old daughter & have taught, & continue to teach, her gun safety. She knows if she see's a gun anywhere to not touch it & notify an adult. BUT, and a very BIG but, should I be looking @ a different gun than the G 27 I'm about to purchase? The only time she would actually ever be around it is if she climbs in my truck & starts digging around, which USUALLY doesn't happen. Should I be looking @ a gun w/more safety's? Please don't turn this into a Glock Vs. ? thread. I understand they say it has 3 safety's and how they work but in my eyes, it's truely only 1. Thanks for yall's input.

The simple solution is to never put child and gun in the same availability. If you are in the truck with your daughter then you need to secure your firearm. If you have a CHL, take the gun with you on your person into any stops. If they happen to be 30-06 / 51% then I recommend leaving the gun at home.

If you trust leaving a 6 year old girl alone in a vehicle then you certainly should be capable of being unarmed for a day.

That being said, I would recommend the P7, which has a unique grip-cocker mechanism, or leaving the gun chamber clear with a loaded magazine. A 6 year old child lacks the strength to rack a Glock.

 

[GM.Chief]

There is the obvious trigger safety. Then there is also a drop safety where if you drop the gun it will not fire. Then the other one I forgot.

There is actually a company that can install a thumb safety on your glock. I forgot who does it but you can find it in the ads in the back of gun mags

The company is Cominolli.

That being said, I would recommend the P7, which has a unique grip-cocker mechanism, or leaving the gun chamber clear with a loaded magazine. A 6 year old child lacks the strength to rack a Glock.

+1

The only time she would actually ever be around it is if she climbs in my truck & starts digging around, which USUALLY doesn't happen.

I'll agree with DirtyD on this one. We do not have a safe at this time, so each of our handguns when not on our person has a cable lock through it. I do not yet have my chl, but have already started the practice of trying to carry it when I'm at home, so as to get used to it. I would not leave it in your truck. She may not usually get in there, but she obviously does sometimes from what you wrote. I have four kids, ages ranging from 3 to 8. I KNOW how curious they are. No matter how responsible they are on average, all it takes is ONE time, one second of letting their curiosity get the better of them.

That being said, one of the guns we have is a G23. My wife absolutely loves it. She would not trade it for another gun (I tried for you DirtyD...j/k) because she has become comfortable with every aspect of it. When it comes down to it, if your daughter is 6, she can figure out how to switch the safety off. And if she's like my 5 year old daughter, she can probably figure out a way to pull the trigger on a 10lb double-action as well (my kids understand "mechanical advantage all too well). Granted that would take a bit of work, but if your child's curiosity is like most others they'll try it and they'll figure out how to do it easier. I had some of the same ideas about the XD and Glock and the lack of a thumb-switch safety originally, but let's face the fact that the only safety that matters is what YOU do with the gun. Or to put it more aptly: The best safety you have is between your own ears. Get a bedside safe, get locks, keep it on your person, etc. , but not somewhere a little girl can get a hold of it.

 

[M. Sage]

Not to sound like a d!ck, but a saftey does not replace responsable gun ownership or parenting... that being said I have two kids and own Glock and XD both. If my children are home my gun is either on my hip or in the safe, period, they are NEVER left alone around a hand gun. With that being said I think if you are uncomfortable enough, then perhaps you should look into something with a longer, heavier double action pull. If a child can figure out a trigger (or half these damn video games they play) then they sure as hell can figure out how to operate a saftey.

This. I don't care what kind of gun or what features, if you don't trust your kid around one, you shouldn't trust them around any.

My favorite solution would be to leave the chamber clear, but even that has its drawbacks, and I don't think that such a "safety" method should be relied upon (see firearms safety rule #1). In fact, I'm not a fan of relying on any safety to keep a gun that is being handled from firing.

Safeties are to keep guns from going off when being carried, transported or stored and during the little "oopsies" that can happen during those times.

 

[Vellcrow]

I hear the same concerns from customers all the time. When I point them towards buying a Glock (or similar type gun), the usual responses are "Where is the safety?" or "I have children, the gun needs a safety".

My response is this: I have them pick any handgun out of the case and try out the trigger pull so they can see how easy it is. I then have them move the safety on that or any other gun they choose. Once they see that the safety lever is just as easy, or in most cases, easier, to manipulate than a trigger, their viewpoint usually changes. They realize a safety does not prevent a determined child from firing the weapon.

In the end, I always suggest what has been said above. Teach your kids about gun handling and safety. "De-mystify" the gun, they will be less curious about it. If the gun is not on you, put it in a bedside safe (loaded, of course).

 

[Big country]

I'd say your fine with a glock. I'd say that the xd (just because I know there is a grip safety) is just as easy to fire as a glock. Maybe it would be a little safer but not much. I'll have to agree with the rest of the folks on here.

 

[CALI]

There is the obvious trigger safety. Then there is also a drop safety where if you drop the gun it will not fire. Then the other one I forgot.

There is actually a company that can install a thumb safety on your glock. I forgot who does it but you can find it in the ads in the back of gun mags

Here's the link if you're interested. [url]http://www.tenring.com/glockwork.html[/URL]
[url]http://www.hankgun.com/hg_spec_glockthumb.htm[/URL]

Goodluck.

 

[lazypineapple]

She won't be able to rack the slide.

My wife wants to shoot my Glock, but I found out she can't rack the slide, or flick it off slide release that's with my G27, and she can just bearly do my G35, I guess it's a little bigger frame and she can grab it better.
but noway on the G27.
So I guess I need another Gun , for the wife,,,

 

[Texas42]

This. I don't care what kind of gun or what features, if you don't trust your kid around one, you shouldn't trust them around any.

My favorite solution would be to leave the chamber clear, but even that has its drawbacks, and I don't think that such a "safety" method should be relied upon (see firearms safety rule #1). In fact, I'm not a fan of relying on any safety to keep a gun that is being handled from firing.

Safeties are to keep guns from going off when being carried, transported or stored and during the little "oopsies" that can happen during those times.

+1

A lot of good stuff has already been said. If I was gonna buy a Glock, and then put a safety on it, I wouldn't buy a Glock. Just my opinion.

EDIT: I think most of those little "oopsies" are people pulling the trigger when they shouldn't.

 

[navyguy]

And I also don't want to sound like an asshat, but I think no matter how much you think your 6 year old, or 8 year old ... what ever, has learned about not touching guns etc, don't chance it! Kids are curious. Leaving ANY loaded gun in reach of child and depending on them to adhere to the things you've told them is asking for trouble. If it's not on your body, or in your hand, it needs to be locked when kids have access to it.

Maybe your kid would never do that, but the consequence for being wrong in that assessment is simply not worth the risk.

 

[LFD2037]

Several of you missunderstood me, particularly the wise-asses. She, as well as I thank you, has been taught gun safety. She has seen what a gun will do. She know's NOT TO TOUCH THEM(like I said early). I thank you for the helpful insight that a few of you gave me. Some of ya'll need to realise no matter how much gun safety you are taught(ie. LE, military, etc.) accidents (or whatever you want to call it to make YOURSELF feel more superior) will happen. I'm just trying my best to make sure it doesn't happen. The gun, regardless of which one I choose, will never be cocked & locked where she could come into contact w/it. Soooooo, any more USEFUL information/help.

 

[LFD2037]

Navyguy, asshat sounds familiar. Do you own a jeep?

 

[Texas1911]

Several of you missunderstood me, particularly the wise-asses. She, as well as I thank you, has been taught gun safety. She has seen what a gun will do. She know's NOT TO TOUCH THEM(like I said early). I thank you for the helpful insight that a few of you gave me. Some of ya'll need to realise no matter how much gun safety you are taught(ie. LE, military, etc.) accidents (or whatever you want to call it to make YOURSELF feel more superior) will happen. I'm just trying my best to make sure it doesn't happen. The gun, regardless of which one I choose, will never be cocked & locked where she could come into contact w/it. Soooooo, any more USEFUL information/help.

It's simple...

1.) Teach your kids.
2.) Never make the gun accessible to the child.

No gun is safe, it's as safe as the operator. If you follow those two rules above then you'll never have a problem. The problem isn't the gun, it's your ability as a parent to maintain the two above rules.

There are precautions you can take like leaving it unchambered, etc. but at that point you've already failed to keep child and gun separate. That is what the "ass-hats" are trying to point out.

The gun is only as safe as the owner / operator.

 

[M. Sage]

Nobody here is trying to be a smartass or tear you down. Everybody has their own opinion and is merely sharing it and trying to justify that opinion. Most everything here is good info, IMO. I know, I said most, but I'm overly-opinionated sometimes.

EDIT: I think most of those little "oopsies" are people pulling the trigger when they shouldn't.

Almost all of them are, excepting an actual equipment failure of some sort, but those seem to be very few and far between.

The gun is only as safe as the owner / operator.

Who said it? Was it Jeff Cooper? Something along the lines of "safety isn't a device, it's a habit."

 

[navyguy]

Navyguy, asshat sounds familiar. Do you own a jeep?

No. Is there a joke in there I'm not getting?

 

[LFD2037]

No joke. I had never heard anyone else use the name 'asshat' other than guys on a certain jeep forum. I thought maybe you had a jeep & frequented that site.