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  • Texas1911

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    The DNC is coming to Austin to have their annual meeting. They chose Austin because they believe they can turn Texas blue in the next elections.

    I think they are a bit ambitious to think they are going to do well in the next elections with the way the Dem's are getting nothing done in Congress and the White House.
     

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    We have to keep reminding people right up till the elections, Especially the Republicans in office, that if they want to stay in office they'd better change their ways. Naw. Let's get a bunch of new guys who are real conservatives. Fire the lot of them.
     

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    The DNC is coming to Austin to have their annual meeting. They chose Austin because they believe they can turn Texas blue in the next elections.

    I think they are a bit ambitious to think they are going to do well in the next elections with the way the Dem's are getting nothing done in Congress and the White House.

    The split during the presidential elections of 2000/2004 was roughly 60/40 R/D. The split last year was more like 55/45. I can see why they think there's room for movement.

    Like most of the southeast, Texas has a long history of electing conservative Democrats. Redistricting ended a number of "blue dog" congressmen's careers, but they were not unpopular people nor were they leftists ... they were more like the Republicans that get elected in the northeast - relatively centrist due to their local political environment.
     

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    I used to think that having a conservative democrat was fine. Recall in my area we had Nick Lampson, a pro-gun democrat, for awhile. He was fine, just about always voted pro-gun.

    Trouble is we can have the Lampson types but all that means is we have Queen Nancy Peelosi who really calls the shots. So in that respect, we could have a House full of Lampsons but they will still buckle under to Botox Nancy.

    So the bottom line, as long as democrats are in the majority, we are in deep doodoo.
     

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    I used to think that having a conservative democrat was fine. Recall in my area we had Nick Lampson, a pro-gun democrat, for awhile. He was fine, just about always voted pro-gun.

    Trouble is we can have the Lampson types but all that means is we have Queen Nancy Peelosi who really calls the shots. So in that respect, we could have a House full of Lampsons but they will still buckle under to Botox Nancy.

    So the bottom line, as long as democrats are in the majority, we are in deep doodoo.

    I hear that the Democrats are quite second to the Republicans whentot comes to maintaining "party unity." Look at the increasingly uncertain future of the health care bill in spite of a clear-cut Democratic majority.

    If you have a representative that votes the way you want them to, why worry about party affiliation?
     

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    The split during the presidential elections of 2000/2004 was roughly 60/40 R/D. The split last year was more like 55/45. I can see why they think there's room for movement.

    Like most of the southeast, Texas has a long history of electing conservative Democrats. Redistricting ended a number of "blue dog" congressmen's careers, but they were not unpopular people nor were they leftists ... they were more like the Republicans that get elected in the northeast - relatively centrist due to their local political environment.

    The only reason the split was so close in Texas this time was because the Republicans picked the wrong candidate. We lost a lot of votes because McCain was such a dud.
     

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    I hear that the Democrats are quite second to the Republicans whentot comes to maintaining "party unity." Look at the increasingly uncertain future of the health care bill in spite of a clear-cut Democratic majority.

    If you have a representative that votes the way you want them to, why worry about party affiliation?

    Siscokid said:
    I used to think that having a conservative democrat was fine. Recall in my area we had Nick Lampson, a pro-gun democrat, for awhile. He was fine, just about always voted pro-gun.

    Trouble is we can have the Lampson types but all that means is we have Queen Nancy Peelosi who really calls the shots. So in that respect, we could have a House full of Lampsons but they will still buckle under to Botox Nancy.

    So the bottom line, as long as democrats are in the majority, we are in deep doodoo.

    I think that Siscokid answered that question pretty solidly. The problem in the last 10 years is that the republican's have moved too far to the left. The other problem is that true conservative republicans won't ever "toe the party line" like the dems will unless the bill fully ties into conservative principles, whereas dem's for the most part have no principles above the party.
     

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    Yup that is about the long and the short of it. The Dem's are in the end party first regardless of their personal beliefs. They don't have any actual principles to stick to.
     

    Texas42

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    They really only have one principle which is power over the people

    The leadership, yes. The rest of the party, maybe.

    The only reason that the Dem's are having so much trouble passing their healthcare reform bill is because so many democrats are afraid of losing their jobs. Those guys have to walk a fine line between the ubber-nuts of the party leadership and their constituents. If they cross the leadership, they have to face dealing with serious democratic competition next eletion. If they go against their constituents, they have to deal with someone from another party. Almost feel sorry for them.

    Caught between a rock and a hard place. We wouldn't be here if the lot of Republicans hadn't screwed up in the first place.

    I can see how it wouldn't matter what the party is if they voted right, but there will be other issues that aren't so much in the media that will be voted in out of the spotlight and those "conservative" democrates will toe the party line.

    That and most Americans seem to have incredibly short memories.

    I hate the whole idea of parties and politics, but we are here. This is the reality that we live with.
     

    Okierifleman

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    Let me rephrase that. They actually have two bbjectives, but the other one is one that Republicans and Democrats alike share, and that is to get re-elected. I do not feel sorry for them at all, Rep or Dem. They are elected officials that are supposed to have their constituents interests being conveyed in Washington. Instead, they get elected, and just run off on their own once inside the loop. They even admit it. They have no accountability until their term is almost up and its election time. It is a sad state of affairs that we have to vote for the best of the worst, instead of the best of the best.
     

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    Let them come said the spider to the flies.

    Interesting that they chose Austin. As if that's going to make any difference. Now, had they chosen Lubbock, or San Angelo, as a place to make a push, then perhaps they would get more of a reality check. As it is, going to Austin will teach them nothing and may in fact give the Dems a completely inaccurate view of the Texas political landscape. Actually I hope they choose to waste a lot of resources in Texas. As I told a Gallup pollster during the '08 presidential campaign "McCain (or whoever the Repub candidate may be) could commit crimes with barnyard animals, there's still no way Texas will go Democrat this time." And in the 10 months that have followed, I don't think Obama and the Congressional Dems have done anything to change that political reality.
     

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    In light of the shenanigans being pulled by the current king, I've a feeling the dems are in for a butt kicking come election time. Throw the rascals out.!

    (:eek: oh oh, did I say shenanigans?)
     

    Rob1796

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    I hear that the Democrats are quite second to the Republicans whentot comes to maintaining "party unity." Look at the increasingly uncertain future of the health care bill in spite of a clear-cut Democratic majority.

    I don't think the health care bill is really indicadtive of how the Dem Party is loosing party unity. See below, but I've always argued that the Dems are graet when it comes to taking everyone from the blue dogs to the commie pinko nut jobs and getting them all on the same boat.

    The only reason the split was so close in Texas this time was because the Republicans picked the wrong candidate. We lost a lot of votes because McCain was such a dud.

    Indeed, and quoted for truth. McCain was Obama light. We tried to out liberal the liberals, and look where it got us.

    The only reason that the Dem's are having so much trouble passing their healthcare reform bill is because so many democrats are afraid of losing their jobs. Those guys have to walk a fine line between the ubber-nuts of the party leadership and their constituents. If they cross the leadership, they have to face dealing with serious democratic competition next eletion. If they go against their constituents, they have to deal with someone from another party. Almost feel sorry for them.

    Exactly. What many people tend to forget is the first job of your Congress Critters is no longer to REPRESENT YOU, but instead to get reelected. There was a scene in the move Swing Vote where Stanli Tucci's character looked at the President (Kelsey Grammer) and said something along the lines of you have great ideas and policies, but we need to keep you in office so that you can show the world that.

    Now, I don't think the left has great ideas of policies, but the fact is, they cannot do their job (as if they did do their job) of representing you if they are not in office. Of course, this goes into a completely different discussion of term lengths and limits and the like.

    Interesting that they chose Austin. As if that's going to make any difference. Now, had they chosen Lubbock, or San Angelo, as a place to make a push, then perhaps they would get more of a reality check. As it is, going to Austin will teach them nothing and may in fact give the Dems a completely inaccurate view of the Texas political landscape. Actually I hope they choose to waste a lot of resources in Texas. As I told a Gallup pollster during the '08 presidential campaign "McCain (or whoever the Repub candidate may be) could commit crimes with barnyard animals, there's still no way Texas will go Democrat this time." And in the 10 months that have followed, I don't think Obama and the Congressional Dems have done anything to change that political reality.

    Another quote for truth. The biggest issue with the rest of the world is that they think the situation in Austin and a much lesser extent Dallas is representative of the way Texas votes. There is a little bit of blue creep coming into Texas, but I doubt we will ever see anything of a serious democrat push here ever again. It was one hell of an uphill battle, but for the near and far future, I really don't see Texas going blue for a long while. There are far to many engrained Texas ideals that are so counter to the very basics of the Democrat and liberal ideology that it just isn't going to happen.

    In light of the shenanigans being pulled by the current king, I've a feeling the dems are in for a butt kicking come election time. Throw the rascals out.!

    Exactly. The next few elections are ours to loose, with our Fearless Leader's push for policies the people just don't want. He is slowly but very, very surely isolating the swing voters and middle of the roaders. All we have to do is get the birthers and threepers to keep quiet and focus on the much greater outcome of the situation. They do far more damage to the the Republicans and conservative candidates than Obama's complete and total disregard of the people of this nation.

    (:eek: oh oh, did I say shenanigans?)

    -Next guy to say shenanigans gets pistol whiped
    Hey Favra, whats that resteraunt you like, the one with the crap on the wall?
    -Shenanigans?
    *pulls out gun and offers it to chief* Ehhhhhhhhh?
     
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