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  • SIG_Fiend

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    Here's a brand new, out of the box, Springfield EMP .40sw I checked out at work today. This one will already be headed by to Springfield for some sort of repair work. Basically the firing pin was stuck full forward, and if the gun managed to feed properly it would have been a one shot mag dump gun needless to say. ;) Because of that, of course the backplate was loose as well. For a $1200 F'in gun? This is BS.

    Even worse than that is we've received some POF AR's over the past few months, some with rusty screws on some of the picatinny sections on the forend. On top of that, one of them had a castle nut that wasn't even hand tight. Minor detail I know but, for a $2100 gun I would expect better than that. Oh, and there's also the S&W M&P15 VTAC, which used to be good about properly staked gas key bolts, and now it looks like they aren't even attempting to stake them or are barely even touching them. What the heck is going on? I know what's going on as far as trying to keep up with demand and quality slacking, though it's pretty annoying to see this on higher dollar guns.
     

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    dee

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    Thats kinda scary lets hope all gun shops check their weapons over before they sell them. It personally doesn't bother my bying because I go over everything I purchase before using but some don't.
     

    claymore504

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    Sad to see that. For that kind of money there should be zero out of the box issues. I only had a loose rear sight on my STI when it came in. Needed to be adjusted anyways.
     

    Okierifleman

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    Sig, I hate to be the one to bring this up, but you havent had so much luck with Springfields lately! Run, dont walk down to the store and buy you a Kimber and you wont have to worry about all of these problems! Or, heres a thought, throw those Springfields in the trash and get you a Sig!

    The POF is shocking though. I have been lusting after a POF 308 for a while, I would like to know for that kind of money, you are getting a somewhat custom shop rifle.
     

    SIG_Fiend

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    None of the POF's we've been getting even come with friggin iron sites. For $2100-2600 that's pretty lame, though I know lots of other manufacturers have been doing the same crap. I just checked out an LMT MRP gas piston today which was $2100. Let me put it this way about what I've seen with POF. That LMT looked to be 10x the gun for the same price, rail is lower profile, plus you actually get irons with it. ;) lol

    You know, Okie, I didn't even think about that! I'm sure I would have no problem whatsoever with an M1A or an Operator TRP, so you are more than welcome to buy me one. ;) lol j/k
     

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    Because Kimber and Sig are the poster children for QC...

    [url]http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=custom1911&Number=77396&Searchpage=6&Main=57681&Words=kimber+&topic=&Search=true#Post77396[/URL]
    [url]http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=custom1911&Number=76729&Searchpage=6&Main=76086&Words=kimber+&topic=&Search=true#Post76729[/URL]
    [url]http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/266106231[/URL]


    Anyone see a trend? Is it because the same guy that worked at Kimber is now working at Sig?





    Sig, I hate to be the one to bring this up, but you havent had so much luck with Springfields lately! Run, dont walk down to the store and buy you a Kimber and you wont have to worry about all of these problems! Or, heres a thought, throw those Springfields in the trash and get you a Sig!

    The POF is shocking though. I have been lusting after a POF 308 for a while, I would like to know for that kind of money, you are getting a somewhat custom shop rifle.
     

    SIG_Fiend

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    I only buy older pre-management change Sigs so far. They work just fine and there are plenty of them, plus they are a lot cheaper than the new ones so it doesn't affect me. ;) lol
     

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    None of the POF's we've been getting even come with friggin iron sites. For $2100-2600 that's pretty lame, though I know lots of other manufacturers have been doing the same crap. I just checked out an LMT MRP gas piston today which was $2100. Let me put it this way about what I've seen with POF. That LMT looked to be 10x the gun for the same price, rail is lower profile, plus you actually get irons with it. ;) lol

    You know, Okie, I didn't even think about that! I'm sure I would have no problem whatsoever with an M1A or an Operator TRP, so you are more than welcome to buy me one. ;) lol j/k

    There is no way in hell I would buy a combat style rifle that does not have iron sights! I prefer them over all the battery powered stuff anyways. If that fancy red dot laser reticle super combat death sight breaks and you do not have or can't use iron sights then you might as well use that thing as a club.
     

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    That is disappointing to see SA put out a defective and very dangerous gun. I'm assuming they test fire at the factory, so that must have somehow happened after that test.

    I've also seen some crap coming out of Sig in the last few years. I think that's another company looking for direction. I love my older Sigs, and have not had any issues, but I'd be very cautious in buying a new one. HK still seems to be rock solid in the quality department, and I think Glocks and anything from SW are still safe bets as production guns go.
     

    Texas1911

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    That is disappointing to see SA put out a defective and very dangerous gun. I'm assuming they test fire at the factory, so that must have somehow happened after that test.

    I've also seen some crap coming out of Sig in the last few years. I think that's another company looking for direction. I love my older Sigs, and have not had any issues, but I'd be very cautious in buying a new one. HK still seems to be rock solid in the quality department, and I think Glocks and anything from SW are still safe bets as production guns go.

    If you screw up something as simple as a Glock, you've got issues.

    1911s I have more leniency on, they aren't exactly simple guns to build. The firing pin on that SA looks like it was 1cm too long.
     

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    Good thing the SA has a lifetime warranty. They are test fired as u get the shell with the gun so must have happened after it left factory.
     

    Mate

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    As for POF, at the carbine class I went to today the one POF in the class failed within the first 17 rounds. Apparentely this happens quite frequently according to the instructor.
     
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