What Do You Think

[Wedge]

First off im just asking. I know its important we know our laws but could we set up a quik referance were we can and cannot carry. I cant remember them all the time 24/7 no matter how much I study. A quik guide would be nice what do you think.

(1) Schools/school activity

(2) Place of voting

(3) Court houses/Prisons and jails

(4) 51% were alchohal is from sales

(5) Were 30.06 sign is posted

(6) Place of execution on the day of

(7) Alchohal can be purchased and comsumed but must stay undr legal limit. It depends what the LEO thinks about your condition.

Ok what have I forgotten?
Mayby some of you thinks its stupid but I know it would help me. Could someone do this properly and have it posted on the CHL sight if it was thought as a good idea. I think it would be nice to just look at this as compared to finding it in your book. Also users with I-phones and Blackberry users could look it up quickly. I did a search on this and didnt find anything like this.

 

[Eagles1181]

Federal Property

 

[Wedge]

I saw were someone the other day said banks. I see nothing about banks being off limit unless they are because of being federal insured.

 

[DirtyD]

Banks are private property unless you are going to the Federal Reserve, and must be posted. You all need to spend some serious time with your CHL Handbook or go take a class again....

 

[Wedge]

Dirty again lets not turn this into a bashing event. Ive spent alot of time with the book. Unless you are a lawyer and understand all the teminology it can get very confusing. Not bashing you. I still think this would be nice. As far as the class goes its great when u first get out but again you have to retain what you have learned. If you have a very busy life like I do then its not allways easy to remember every detail. With these questions being asked all the time I would think a perminent copy of all the rules would save a ton of questions. Thanks for your input.

 

[APatriot]

Dirty...you are correct.

FWIW, you won't find many banks posted because frankly, they don't want to be robbed and they want the prospective robber to think twice that there may be CHLs in the location.

Banks are private property unless you are going to the Federal Reserve, and must be posted. You all need to spend some serious time with your CHL Handbook or go take a class again....

 

[Texas42]

post offices are federal property IIRC

 

[Eagles1181]

When the rules were originally written banks were included in the prohibited places list. Hospitals were also, and I think there were a couple of others as well. The rules where later amended to read that these places were off limits only if they were posted. Wedge if you got your permit back when the rules first came out, that might be what you are thinking of.

Eagle

 

[DirtyD]

Dirty again lets not turn this into a bashing event. Ive spent alot of time with the book. Unless you are a lawyer and understand all the teminology it can get very confusing. Not bashing you. I still think this would be nice. As far as the class goes its great when u first get out but again you have to retain what you have learned. If you have a very busy life like I do then its not allways easy to remember every detail. With these questions being asked all the time I would think a perminent copy of all the rules would save a ton of questions. Thanks for your input.

I am not trying to bash anybody, I just think that if it is important enough to you to carry a weapon then it should be important enough to learn the law. The CHL laws are actually pretty easy to understand if you take the time to read them. I will gladly compare schedules with anyone here as far as a "busy life goes", yet I still found time to learn the law.... Until you can answer these questions (maybe not you specifically, wouldnt want anyone to feel as if they were being attacked...) you may want to reconsider your choice to go armed legally.

 

[Eagles1181]

Oh, also Credit Unions do tend to be posted. Something about the federal backing for them (similar to FDIC, but differant initials) requires them to be posted from what I have heard. So if you go to one, keep your eyes peeled for the sign, or just assume that it is posted, and find a new bank.

Eagle

 

[Eagles1181]

I do have to agree with Dirty in that the penalty for getting caught carrying at the Post Office, because you did not realize it was off limits is pretty steep.

Eagle

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

(1) Schools/school activity

Physical premises of a school, meaning building or part of a building.

(2) Place of voting

Again, physical premises, and includes early voting.

(3) Court houses/Prisons and jails

Includes 'offices of the court,' which could be a broad interpretation. Again, physical premises definition applies.

(4) 51% were alchohal is from sales

Bars, not liquor stores. On-premise consumption is the key.

(5) Were 30.06 sign is posted

Under 30.06, you must receive effect notice. In addition to the properly worded, sized, displayed sign, a document, card, or oral notification by the owner or person with apparent authority to act for the owner qualifies.

The statute also excludes government property, with a couple of exceptions.

(6) Place of execution on the day of

Within 1000 of the physical premises.

(7) Alchohol can be purchased and consumed but must stay under legal limit. It depends what the LEO thinks about your condition.

There is no "legal limit" for determining intoxication while carrying after consuming alcohol. Section 46.035 references the broadest definition of intoxication listed in Section 49.01 of Texas Penal Code. Essentially, 'intoxicated' means impaired, and ultimately left to the discretion of the officer.

Churches, Amusement Parks, Hospitals and meetings of governmental entities are perfectly ok, unless you've been given effective notice under Section 30.06.

Most federally owned or controlled property is off limits.

 

[Wedge]

Thanks Double Action. One question though about amusement park. In the book and my class I was told no amuzment parks or race tracks specifically. See these are the problems im talking about with reading the laws. So who is correct. As far as Post Offices go I would never have thought that I couldnt carry there. Of course if the sign is there thats one thing but if no sign then I would walk on in. Thanks for any info.

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

Thanks Double Action. One question though about amusement park. In the book and my class I was told no amuzment parks or race tracks specifically. See these are the problems im talking about with reading the laws. So who is correct. As far as Post Offices go I would never have thought that I couldnt carry there. Of course if the sign is there thats one thing but if no sign then I would walk on in. Thanks for any info.

Texas Penal Code Section 46.035(i) says that amusement parks, places of worship, hospitals and meetings of governmental entities are perfectly ok unless you've been given effective notice under TPC Section 30.06. I always make a BIG DEAL about that exception in my classes.

Race tracks (horse/dog; paramutual betting) are off limits.

 

[ethan]

To reference federal property, it IS LEGAL to carry in national parks now, i.e. Yellowstone (is Big Bend national?)

Place of Voting ON THE DAY OF

Schools, usually a "gun free zone" w/in 1000 feet, at least in my area

 

[Wedge]

This is great thank you! One more ? for me. No post office correct. I think this post shows how confusing this all can be as we are being told different things by different instructors. I can see in court-- but judge my teatcher said this. He is going to say to bad. Yes I do know about National parks but I read it does not go into effect until 2010 Febuary.

 

[512Ram]

(1) Schools/school activity

Physical premises of a school, meaning building or part of a building.

Parking lot of school/university campus is fine right? i.e. picking someone up or dropping them off, or leaving weapon in the vehicle while attending class.

What about on-campus apartments (not dorms)? And does it matter if its a private university?

 

[ethan]

my bad, i think you may be right about the 2010 parks thing.

alot of school districts have a "gun free zone" ours is like 1000 feet or some retarded stuff.

funny thing is though, there is an ISD north of DFW that has ok'd concealed carry for teachers, it's been determined that should an active shooter situation occur, polie response time would not be adequate so teachers have been granted concealed carry, it's a start i suppose

 

[Texas42]

The gun free zone doesn't mean anything. the law restricts it to the actual premises.

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

To reference federal property, it IS LEGAL to carry in national parks now, i.e. Yellowstone (is Big Bend national?)

Place of Voting ON THE DAY OF

Schools, usually a "gun free zone" w/in 1000 feet, at least in my area

The national parks issue keeps changing. It's currently legal for a CHL holder to carry in a national park. This was not true up until November of 2008, when G. W. Bush passed an executive order. In February of 2009, an Obama-friendly judge allowed an injunction to prevent national park carry. Then in March or April, the injunction was overturned. They're still fight it.

The 1000 foot school zone does not apply to CHL holders unless you're involved in criminal activity.