DK Firearms

CHLs in School for Teachers

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Texas

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • DoubleActionCHL

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 23, 2008
    1,572
    21
    Spring, Texas
    I've got no problem with teachers carrying in schools. However, unlike my position on personal responsibility, no government restrictions or requirements for training, etc., I firmly believe teachers would require additional and frequent training to keep and carry handguns around our children.

    Weapon retention would be at the top of the list. Scenario-based tactical training would be a must, with annual qualifications. There would also need to be some sort of secrecy and, possibly, rotation policy, because it would be impossible to keep everyone quiet. Eventually the students would know who carries. Some means of rotating the daily carry duty might be useful so students never know exactly which teachers are armed.

    These are just ideas... not necessarily good ones.
     

    texas_teacher

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Feb 14, 2009
    2,114
    21
    South Korea
    I've got no problem with teachers carrying in schools. However, unlike my position on personal responsibility, no government restrictions or requirements for training, etc., I firmly believe teachers would require additional and frequent training to keep and carry handguns around our children.

    Weapon retention would be at the top of the list. Scenario-based tactical training would be a must, with annual qualifications. There would also need to be some sort of secrecy and, possibly, rotation policy, because it would be impossible to keep everyone quiet. Eventually the students would know who carries. Some means of rotating the daily carry duty might be useful so students never know exactly which teachers are armed.

    These are just ideas... not necessarily good ones.

    As a teacher I definitely support over-training teachers who are going to be carrying in schools... I also believe that typical CHL qualifications would not suffise as being "accurate " enough to work in a school... Typically in a school situation where using deadly force would be determined necessary the torso area that is used for CHL's would typically be too large...

    I also agree that weapon retention is a very necessary training if teachers are going to be carrying in schools... It is one thing to have a training of what to do in a deadly force situation, but there have been several situations where students who are frustrated and angry become aggressive... A weapon in the hands of an untrained volatile mind is the exact thing that teacher's carrying would be trying to prevent...
     

    Texas42

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Nov 21, 2008
    4,752
    66
    Texas
    I've got no problem with teachers carrying in schools. However, unlike my position on personal responsibility, no government restrictions or requirements for training, etc., I firmly believe teachers would require additional and frequent training to keep and carry handguns around our children.

    Weapon retention would be at the top of the list. Scenario-based tactical training would be a must, with annual qualifications. There would also need to be some sort of secrecy and, possibly, rotation policy, because it would be impossible to keep everyone quiet. Eventually the students would know who carries. Some means of rotating the daily carry duty might be useful so students never know exactly which teachers are armed.

    These are just ideas... not necessarily good ones.

    hmmm. . . .

    I know you aren't trying to make this conclusion, but should i need extra requirements because i carry around children all the time. at walmart, the movies, and to resturants.

    i think it is called concealed carry for a reason. if your dumb enough to open your mouth to your kids that you have a gun, the parents will have your head (and rightly so).

    i guess the bottom line is the teachers aren't going to be offensive when it comes to this. they shouldn't be clearing rooms. they are going to be defending themselves and their students.

    that being said, shooting a guy in a room full of students is probably anyone's worst nightmare.
     

    TxEMTP69

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Feb 17, 2009
    2,500
    21
    Rockport
    I think this would be a school policy for some sort of "proficiency" as to continued training, would be nice if the schools would foot the bill for some decent scenario based training for those situations. I've seen videos of scenario based training that also involved students in methods to overcome an attacker with whats availabe, saw many outraged parents crying about them teaching students to be violent... I say be violent or die in a violent manner.
    I know of far too many schools that don't have enough school cops or have them to far spread in the school district for them to be truely effective, goes back to "I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy". Police can't be everywhere or be expected to be in the right place at the right time.

    I've dealt with one school shooting and thankfully it did not involve children but employees and ended after a standoff and 2 injured (not the shooter) transported to the hospital. For years I've heard LEO in our community say it couldn't happen here.
     

    DoubleActionCHL

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 23, 2008
    1,572
    21
    Spring, Texas
    hmmm. . . .

    I know you aren't trying to make this conclusion, but should i need extra requirements because i carry around children all the time. at walmart, the movies, and to resturants.

    i think it is called concealed carry for a reason. if your dumb enough to open your mouth to your kids that you have a gun, the parents will have your head (and rightly so).

    i guess the bottom line is the teachers aren't going to be offensive when it comes to this. they shouldn't be clearing rooms. they are going to be defending themselves and their students.

    that being said, shooting a guy in a room full of students is probably anyone's worst nightmare.

    You're taking this to an extreme in your Wal-Mart example. The armed teachers are taking a custodial role over our children and are expected to protect them, almost to the degree we'd charge law enforcement.

    Placing a gun in the hands of a teacher whose sole training is comprised of a 10 hour CHL class would simply create a dangerous situation. The likelihood of the teacher ever needing the weapon is slim, but likelihood of some thug/student stealing it from her bag or wrestling it from her person is comparatively high.

    If the teacher is charged with the security and safety of our children, I want them to be suitably trained to be safe and competent. Otherwise, why bother?
     

    Texas42

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Nov 21, 2008
    4,752
    66
    Texas
    i know i was taking it out to the extreme.

    i just can can see how your points can be extended to every single CHL holder. in some cases extreme, but not others.

    would you like to see CHL's allowed to go to schools and school activities? i would. I can see where people would want them to have extra training. i really do, but i think it is impractical to two classes of CHL. Maybe it isn't as impractical.

    oh well. I do think that this would be a step forward.
     

    DoubleActionCHL

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 23, 2008
    1,572
    21
    Spring, Texas
    i know i was taking it out to the extreme.

    i just can can see how your points can be extended to every single CHL holder. in some cases extreme, but not others.

    would you like to see CHL's allowed to go to schools and school activities? i would. I can see where people would want them to have extra training. i really do, but i think it is impractical to two classes of CHL. Maybe it isn't as impractical.

    oh well. I do think that this would be a step forward.

    Again, you're talking apples and oranges. There's a tremendous difference in a CHL holder near children, and someone who is armed and entrusted with their safety.
     

    Libertarian_Longhorn

    Active Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Apr 28, 2009
    245
    1
    I've got no problem with teachers carrying in schools. However, unlike my position on personal responsibility, no government restrictions or requirements for training, etc., I firmly believe teachers would require additional and frequent training to keep and carry handguns around our children.

    Weapon retention would be at the top of the list. Scenario-based tactical training would be a must, with annual qualifications. There would also need to be some sort of secrecy and, possibly, rotation policy, because it would be impossible to keep everyone quiet. Eventually the students would know who carries. Some means of rotating the daily carry duty might be useful so students never know exactly which teachers are armed.

    These are just ideas... not necessarily good ones.

    +1

    A rotation policy would be great. Teachers are extremely vulnerable to backbiting attacks though. How about the 'special' or alternative schools with the county delinquent children? I say all the more reason for a teacher to have a CHL. Secrecy is key.
     

    texas_teacher

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Feb 14, 2009
    2,114
    21
    South Korea
    Would a teacher that wasn't the currently assigned teacher to be concealing be allowed to keep an arm locked in a safe inside of a file cabinet to be utilized in an emergency situation?

    Once again we are dealing with what if's...
     

    DoubleActionCHL

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 23, 2008
    1,572
    21
    Spring, Texas
    Would a teacher that wasn't the currently assigned teacher to be concealing be allowed to keep an arm locked in a safe inside of a file cabinet to be utilized in an emergency situation?

    Once again we are dealing with what if's...

    What if...

    Who knows? I'd certainly want teachers to be able to protect themselves at all times. A safe would be a good idea, but you then have to deal with kids knowing where the safe is and what's inside. You also have to be able to get it open quickly in an emergency. If the shooter is a student, he'll be aware of the safes, as well.

    Once you get the government involved, however, you'll end up with some over-engineered, completely useless, potentially dangerous solution, much like their solution for the locking holster for pilots.
     

    jfrey

    Active Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Apr 8, 2008
    419
    1
    Coastal Texas
    Being a teacher, my take on this is let every teacher with a CHL carry if they want to. If they choose not to, then so be it. Considering the "what ifs" doesn't count. You can never second guess any situation. Safes containing guns in class is a dumb idea. It takes too long to respond if you need it. Ask a student with a weapon to "wait while I open my safe" and see what reaction you get. Certainly retention is an issue but any good Fobus or Serpa holster would solve that. CHL proficiency isn't enough, but some reasonable qualification standards could be worked out as long as it isn't left to the bureaucrats to come up with something stupid. Accuracy is essential which in my opinion would preclude many cheap pistols on the market. Carry a good quality weapon and pratice with it regulary and things will be much better.

    This situation has worked well in other countries and would certainly work here if the panty wastes will let it alone.
     

    Byaah_19

    Active Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Apr 1, 2009
    346
    1
    DFW
    I think that all teachers should carry and have proper training. This aint 1955 no more. People walk into schools and kill because first of all they sick and twisted and second they know that no one there is carrying
     

    riverara

    New Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 26, 2009
    47
    1
    Ive got a great idea!
    If teacher has CHL then they can carry. And in order to encourage additional training and safety, the school pays for an instructor to come to the teacher in service every making period. :)
     

    Willy

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Aug 28, 2009
    1,067
    31
    Ellis County
    A teacher was killed in Tyler the other day. A high school friend of mine was shot in the chest with a .45 in Canton a few years ago while inside his office in the field house. I wouldn't mind seeing teachers be able to defend themselves. Especially since my brother and his wife are both high school teachers.
     

    Texas42

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Nov 21, 2008
    4,752
    66
    Texas
    Ive got a great idea!
    If teacher has CHL then they can carry. And in order to encourage additional training and safety, the school pays for an instructor to come to the teacher in service every making period. :)

    Have teacher range day instead of teacher work day
     
    Top Bottom