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  • ConnRadd

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    According to DPMS Ammo Warning:

    "The problem with this ammunition is that the lacquer coating on the case. As the barrel heats up, the lacquer turns to a soft, varnish substance and upon cool down, becomes very solid and difficult to remove. This effectively creates an undersized chamber and creates understandable problems."


    [url]http://www.dpmsinc.com/support/warning.aspx[/URL]



    Has anyone had issues with the lacquer coated ammo?
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    Mate

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    I havent had a problem, but a shooter at a class I went to did. He had a stuck case, and the lacquer hardened around it as it cooled. It took quite a few good whacks with a mallet and a cleaning rod to get it out.

    He was shooting wolf in a .223 chamber.
    I was shooting Hornady steel in a 5.56 chamber.
     

    D-Day

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    I was shooting Monarch .223 through my AR and it wouldn't feed worth a damn. It was the first time I shot it and only got about 10 rounds out of it. I took it apart after itcooled down and there was a solid coating of the lacquer in the chamber. I shhot it through my Bushmaster with no problem.
     

    50calRay

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    In the past importers like Wolf used excessive amounts of sealer around the primers and projectiles. This stuff would melt off into the chamber and cause issues. I want to say they also changed up the lacquer method to help reduce issues as well.

    Anyhow, I've probably shot about 5,000rds of steel cased ammo and only had one stuck casing.
     

    kville79

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    The only time I've had problems with the stuff is after shooting for awhile with my Mauser. Romanian 80's stuff sticks in the chamber.... that's how I broke my extractor.
     

    TdDude

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    The Wolf version of steel cased ammo won't feed through my mags. They always seem to get stuck in the mags. As such, it's a great way for me to practice malfunction drills.

    The Brown Bear stuff feeds flawlessly and I've shot tens of thousands of rounds through my Berettas without any issues,

    EXCEPT FOR

    I've had two cases get stuck that required quite a bit of pounding with a rod to get them out. But only two and they caused no issues.

    I don't use the Brown Bear anymore because I don't shoot that much. If I ever go to shooting 2k rounds a month, I'll probably go back to it just for the economy.
     

    Lmccrock

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    Just remember that DPMS is talking about gas operated AR15's whose chambers are harder to clean than your average handgun, or even some rifles. AR15 timing is tricky and sticky steel cases make extraction a little harder. That said, many AR15 owners shoot steel cases without trouble. Also, Wolf's 223 now has a polymer finish, not lacquer. But DPMS also warns against any steel case, whether lacquer or polymer or zinc coated.

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    brickboy240

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    Thats why I love the AK...it was made for shooting steel cased junky ammo. Never a problem with this in the AK or SKSs. The red flaky stuff gets everywhere, but cleaning later on gets it all out.

    In 223? Well, I ran Wolf through my Mini-14 many times and never had a jam, either.

    This is a big concearn of mine in getting an AR...its ammo pickiness. Since 223 is not as cheap as it used to be...it would be nice to be able to run the cheapo stuff and not worry.

    - brickboy240
     

    ConnRadd

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    If you buy a rifle with a 5.56 chamber, the chances of having a problem go down significantly.


    The two ARs I have/had (sold one) both are 5.56, I never had an issue with the Bear's. Since I bought a LR-308 AP4 which has the 7.62 Nato chamber, I was a bit nervous shooting anything but brass. Plus, DPMS warns against it. I plan to make the LR-308 more of a hunting rifle and my 5.56 a play rifle.

    BTW: Walmart has their Federals .308 less than $14 / box.
     

    M. Sage

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    One of the main issues is when you shoot lacquer-coated steel and go back to shooting brass without scrubbing the chamber to get the lacquer out.

    It's not that hard to get out - a bronze brush and some Hoppes works great. If you've got a chrome-lined barrel, the stuff will practically fall out.
     

    brickboy240

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    Yes, I'd say that if you keep your rifle clean, the lacquer ammo should not be a huge problem. Its probalby something you'll have to experiment with first, though.

    Hell, if my ratty old Mini-14 can eat Wolf 223 and not burp...the ARs should be able to eat it up.

    - brickboy240
     

    jasont

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    I've seen several guns have cases fused into the chamber with lacquer coated steel ammo. It was usually after about 60-70 rounds rapid fire. They all took a good amount of pounding to remove. Most of them had 5.56 chambers as well.
     
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