Innocent gun owners jailed in NYC

Nightwatch · Aug 8, 2017

I carry on an LTC in TX, and don't like it that when I visit friends/family in LA, I have to ask permission before entering a private residence carrying concealed. Stupid in my opinion, but when I'm in LA, I have to follow their laws. I vote with my feet and my wallet...

I've only seen one time where residents of one state put enough pressure on the gov't of another to get their policy/law changed. It's a very rare thing...even in states where they are 2A friendly.

easy rider · Aug 8, 2017

Nightwatch said:
I carry on an LTC in TX, and don't like it that when I visit friends/family in LA, I have to ask permission before entering a private residence carrying concealed. Stupid in my opinion, but when I'm in LA, I have to follow their laws. I vote with my feet and my wallet...

I've only seen one time where residents of one state put enough pressure on the gov't of another to get their policy/law changed. It's a very rare thing...even in states where they are 2A friendly.

I try to put pressure on state officials for state concerns. I try to put pressure on U.S. officials for national concerns.

Younggun · Aug 8, 2017

I believe the only real solution lies in a SCOTUS ruling.

A national reciprocity law opens far too many doors to abuse and restriction, IMO. And still requires a license. It will make it far too easy for the fed gov to start applying restrictions and costs to the licensing process and will make it very easy for that process to change quickly. Anyone who has seen the changes to the CDL licensing process over the last couple years as TxDOT standards have been pulled over to the federal standards has seen the effects this can have. A medical card expiration kills most of my vehicle licensing and requires starting over from scratch. Not the kind of common sense I'd want applied to my CHL.

Nightwatch · Aug 8, 2017

No more gifts from the gooberment, please-reciprocity is an invitation for them to regulate...and withdraw...and nothing good.

This reads like a reel of fishing line that's been through a blender:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140630/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

F350-6 · Aug 8, 2017

Southpaw said:
According to NY state law neither of those cases involved innocent gun owners.

I really want to argue with you here, but unfortunately, the laws have been written and approved. Wish it wasn't the case, but as they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse. The only possible argument would be the DA's discretion, but we all know where they stand.

Southpaw said:
.... but apparently NY residents don't seem to have a problem with it, tyranny or not.

You mean the people who let the size of a coke be determined by the government were ok with it? That doesn't instill much confidence. Considering the wild swings on who gets elected governor up there, I sometimes wonder if anyone is paying attention.

Recoil45 · Aug 8, 2017

Southpaw said:
According to NY state law neither of those cases involved innocent gun owners. I'm not in agreement with such laws and I guess you can argue how they handle such cases, but apparently NY residents don't seem to have a problem with it, tyranny or not.

The woman carried a gun into NY state contrary to both state and local law. Like it or not, she broke their law. Can one from out of state visit Houston and carry a gun on them while there without an LTC or a reciprocal license and not be in violation of Texas law?

The guy carried what sounds to me like a "high capacity" magazine according to NY state's definition and he too, broke the law. If one was to cross into Texas carrying an item that was banned here but legal elsewhere, again, would they not be in violation of state law, no?

I don't like it when New Yorker's and company complain about how Texas runs Texas, so I personally don't feel right complaining about how they run their state. I just stay the hell out of those places.

Just be aware no one from the 49 other states can even posses a gun in a locked container legally. This has nothing to do with carrying or standard cap mags.

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Southpaw · Aug 8, 2017

Recoil45 said:
Just be aware no one from the 49 other states can even posses a gun in a locked container legally.

I figured so much based on my experience in the area, seems the women in the link did not. She lived in GA and carried to NYC to visit believing her advice from the TSA and her carry permit, which I assume was from GA (still trying to track that fact down) made her good to go.

Recoil45 said:
This has nothing to do with carrying or standard cap mags.

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No, it has nothing to do with carrying, I don't believe that is what I said. It has to do with State law wherever one may be.

I brought up carrying w/o a license by a visitor in Texas as an example of state law that when broken would end up with the person in the same type of hot water. My point was state law, is state law, is state law. Regardless how one feels about it, it is what it is at the time you are accused of breaking it, be it in NYC or Houston.

The second subject in the video OP linked concerned a guy arrested for bringing in what I assumed from both the interview with him and the prosecutors comments, was a "high capacity" mag according to NY state law and therefore illegal to even possess.

boomgoesthedynamite · Aug 9, 2017

It seems like the video was a pro gun shock video. The first woman traveled to NYC with a firearm. She broke several laws I would assume (possession without a license, loaded gun, etc.). I don't know why she would think TSA would be the one to make the call, and it is disingenuous for Stoessel to hint at that.

The second guy had what I assume is a "magazine rebuild kit" judging by what Stoessel was holding up. For those who have never lived outside of the US in places like California, that was one of the ways to get around magazines greater than 10 rounds. Disassembled magazines could be sold as rebuild kits and it was up to the person to not assemble it in violation of state law and only replace parts of work out magazines.

I am fairly certain both of these people brought this upon themselves by not following the laws of where they would be. I don't agree with the laws, but as others have said, it is up to us to know the law. Nobidy would have a problem with this story if it said flew to Mexico instead of NY. The real issue I see is when a flight is diverted and you unintentionally end up in a place like ny with a firearm.

I just wish the same outrage could come from liberals as they would if Texas said we don't honor dl from California or marriage license, or something else.

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Army 1911 · Aug 9, 2017

Back in 1970 I was travelling from Germany to my home on the way to the Southeast Asia War Games (I was on the 2nd place team apparently), and had to travel trough JFK. My connecting flight was for 5 hours later. I had my Target Rifle in a soft case. I was sleeping on a bench of seats with my rifle cradled in my arms.

A cop came by and woke me to ask what I thought I was doing. Told him and he then went away. That would not happen today.

BRD@66 · Aug 9, 2017

Army 1911 said:
Back in 1970 I was travelling from Germany to my home on the way to the Southeast Asia War Games (I was on the 2nd place team apparently), and had to travel trough JFK. My connecting flight was for 5 hours later. I had my Target Rifle in a soft case. I was sleeping on a bench of seats with my rifle cradled in my arms.

A cop came by and woke me to ask what I thought I was doing. Told him and he then went away. That would not happen today.

Yeah, but it's a good story for us old folks.

Southpaw · Aug 9, 2017

BRD@66 said:
Yeah, but it's a good story for us old folks.

And good reminder of how a place can change in one own lifetime to something unrecognizable.

TAZ · Aug 11, 2017

I am 100% in opposition to the laws of that craphole, but those folks are about as innocent as illegals hopping the border are.

El Pistolero · Aug 11, 2017

When I moved out of the NE to TX I completely broke down my pistol and stowed it in pieces in different t boxes in cargo. Driving through NY and NJ was nerve shattering. Once I hit PA I felt better. I'll never go back to those filthy places. They don't deserve my business. Seriously, if my family weren't still up there I would rather forget they exist as a part of the US.

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El Pistolero · Aug 11, 2017

heavygunner8 said:
Can you link where you discovered the woman was in violation of the law? She did say she has the proper license for her weapon.

Laws make it possible to cross the state in one day from one legal state to a legal destination. If you stop in the state you're in violation. This was her destination where it was not legal to do so. Always check the laws of the state you're landing at. In TX we have reciprocity with many states and one way allowances with others. Like CT. It's legal to have and carry your CT weapon here but not a Texan CHL in CT. That was signed by Perry. I confirmed that with Plano PD when I moved here. It's up to the traveler to know the laws. TX law shield has info on this for people to check out.

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Tcruse · Aug 12, 2017

Southpaw said:
According to NY state law neither of those cases involved innocent gun owners. I'm not in agreement with such laws and I guess you can argue how they handle such cases, but apparently NY residents don't seem to have a problem with it, tyranny or not.

The woman carried a gun into NY state contrary to both state and local law. Like it or not, she broke their law. Can one from out of state visit Houston and carry a gun on them while there without an LTC or a reciprocal license and not be in violation of Texas law?

The guy carried what sounds to me like a "high capacity" magazine according to NY state's definition and he too, broke the law. If one was to cross into Texas carrying an item that was banned here but legal elsewhere, again, would they not be in violation of state law, no?

I don't like it when New Yorker's and company complain about how Texas runs Texas, so I personally don't feel right complaining about how they run their state. I just stay the hell out of those places.

Yes, your comment is logically correct and something that is easy for us to forget that NY has the right to their own laws.
However, in the real world we also know that in Texas in both cases the officer would probably only issue a verbal warning and use it as an opportunity for education. Also, no sane person would think the NY laws are even close to being compliant with the US Bill of Rights or that some "rich" person like Soros or Bloomberg would have been questioned. The corruption in NY and NYC are well known. Hopefully, the new AG will put some of these corrupt officials in prison where they belong.

diesel1959 · Aug 13, 2017

NY's vaunted Sullivan Act came straight out the corrupt Tammany Hall--one of the most notoriously corrupt periods of history in history. There's nothing about it that should still be permitted to exist, as it was rotten from the beginning. It smells no less fetid today.

thequintessentialman · Aug 26, 2017

Since we are dealing with leftists and do your own research, my understanding is gun control was born in the Reconstruction South solely to prevent black people from owning guns. I believe Tenn changed their state constitution to name by race. A few states had laws that if a white man reported a black man with a gun, he got the gun after confiscation. I'm interested in what you guys find put about this.

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heavygunner8 · Aug 27, 2017

thequintessentialman said:
Since we are dealing with leftists and do your own research, my understanding is gun control was born in the Reconstruction South solely to prevent black people from owning guns. I believe Tenn changed their state constitution to name by race. A few states had laws that if a white man reported a black man with a gun, he got the gun after confiscation. I'm interested in what you guys find put about this.

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I don't know the origins of gun control in America but the modern take on liberal's defense for gun control is the argument that countries in Europe and Asia have far fewer deaths by guns. And although knives, rocks.. etc can also be used as instruments of murder, they're much harder to use to commit mass murder, gang violence, homocides... etc as oppose to using firearms. Gun control might create an overall safer society for those European and Asian countries, but for the US, we have 300 million+ firearms in civilian hands (which isn't the case for asian and europeans), there is no way the government is going to confiscate them all even if they attempted to do so. Guns are here to stay in this country. To disarm the ordinary citizen is to take away our right to self defense. That, and I fucking love guns and shooting them, so screw liberals.

thequintessentialman · Aug 27, 2017

heavygunner8,

With all due respect, you misspelled Fascists Leftists [liberal]. In reality, the contemporary left is actually as far right is it gets.

Lets explain this using leftists logic. There are NO woolly mammoths in the US, there are no reported deaths by woolly mammoth, therefore, there are no deaths in the US.

The leftists like to factor in suicide by firearm to inflate the murder statistics. They will not tell you that the US suicide rate is on par with gun free, free socialized healthcare Europe and falls behind gun free Japan which falls behind gun free S Korea.

Yea, no one seems to question that the attack in Paris was carried out with sticks and rocks since the French gun control laws successfully prohibit the possession of full auto weapons and bombs. The antigun laws in Britain have driven the crime rate so high, the gov is trying to outlaw knives from what I hear. I read somewhere that if a GB homeowner hits a home invader with a cricket bat, he/she could face more prison time than the invader but do not know if that's accurate. Maybe someone can clarify this.

Do some reading in the FBI statistics. From what I can tell, if we eliminate the top 10 or 15 Democratically created high crime areas in these US, we move to the top ten list of safest countries. Look at the Golden star of Democratic achievement in social reform and gun control, Chicago, then look at Houston that stops short of having gun vending machines on street corners. The demographics of the two are similar yet Houston's murder rate is a fraction of Chicago if I remember correctly. If it's complete safety you want, I recall the streets of Moscow during the Soviet era being among the safest in the world. I suppose there were people even then, as the left now believes, that the bars in the window and the armed [prison] guard outside the door are there to keep them safe.

pronstar · Aug 27, 2017

thequintessentialman said:
Since we are dealing with leftists and do your own research, my understanding is gun control was born in the Reconstruction South solely to prevent black people from owning guns. I believe Tenn changed their state constitution to name by race. A few states had laws that if a white man reported a black man with a gun, he got the gun after confiscation. I'm interested in what you guys find put about this.

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That argument could also be bastardized to justify taking down "confederate" statutes.

There are lots of things that had roots many would consider appalling today, from both sides of the aisle.

But we can't morally judge history using modern standards IMHO

While we can't change history or the era that that spawned these things, I believe the bigger question is:
Where do we go from here with respect to the constitution?

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