URGENT - Obamacare repeal, calls to Cruz needed

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  • oldag

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    As you probably know, the last shot at rolling back Obamacare is the bill currently in the Senate. Cruz has now said he does not support the bill.

    The bill is not perfect, but it is far better than leaving Obamacare in place. The differences between perfect and the bill does not compose a hill to die on. Get SOMETHING done now, refine it later. Republicans stand a good chance of losing significant ground in the mid-terms if they fail to roll back Obamacare and cut taxes.

    I have been a supporter of Cruz since he first ran for office. But I called his office today and let them know I could not do so in the future if he does not vote for this bill.

    Call his office at 202-224-5922 and voice your opinion and expectations.

    Also leave feedback via the website: https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=form&id=16

    Thanks.
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    F350-6

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    Very similar to what I sent to his office yesterday in an email. Except I started off by saying too bad Hillary didn't win. At least then the Republicans would have an excuse for not getting it repealed.

    Sent the same email to Cornyn.
     

    HKShooter65

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    Maine GOP senator Susan Collins announced her "NO" vote.
    It's dead.
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    We've allowed ourselves to be painted into a terrible corner.

    On one hand the GOP has promised, for 8 years now, that they would "Repeal" 2010's ACA.
    On the other hand they have fallen on their own dagger on the "Replace" component, having produced a replacement that is woefully inadequately constructed.
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    My observation:
    The voting public, by a solid majority, has come to believe that affordable (not free) health care is a basic governmental responsibility and a societal right.
    Obamacare tries to much to make it free.
    The GOP tries to deny that it is a right.

    As of Saturday 60 Senate votes are needed to pass a bill.
    Any bill this important to the citizenry of our proud nation damn well should be supported by over 60% of our senators.

    It's time for bipartisan "Repair and Re-write" Obamacare, as a lot of it works well but it's unsustainable.

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    Jeeeze. The centerpiece of Republican strategy for the last 9 years and cant make it happen

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    oldag

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    Maine GOP senator Susan Collins announced her "NO" vote.
    It's dead.
    ........................
    We've allowed ourselves to be painted into a terrible corner.

    On one hand the GOP has promised, for 8 years now, that they would "Repeal" 2010's ACA.
    On the other hand they have fallen on their own dagger on the "Replace" component, having produced a replacement that is woefully inadequately constructed.
    ........................
    My observation:
    The voting public, by a solid majority, has come to believe that affordable (not free) health care is a basic governmental responsibility and a societal right.
    Obamacare tries to much to make it free.
    The GOP tries to deny that it is a right.

    As of Saturday 60 Senate votes are needed to pass a bill.
    Any bill this important to the citizenry of our proud nation damn well should be supported by over 60% of our senators.

    It's time for bipartisan "Repair and Re-write" Obamacare, as a lot of it works well but it's unsustainable.

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    HKS

    I am not so sure that the voting public buys into "free healthcare". I don't think a majority want single payer. I do think politicians believe what you have stated, and are running scared.

    Won't be a bipartisan bill. Dems will not compromise.
     

    oldag

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    Sure looks like that is where we are headed, just like a lot of predictions said when ObamaCare was passed.

    If the liberals have anything to say about it, you are right.

    Sure hope not, though.

    Canadians have to come to the U.S. for good healthcare. Where would they go if the US goes single payer? Would also upset the Middle East potentates, Mexican elites, etc. All of them spend a great deal of money to come to the US as we have the best health care (not the cheapest) in the world. That goes bye bye with single payer.
     

    AustinN4

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    Canadians have to come to the U.S. for good healthcare. Where would they go if the US goes single payer? Would also upset the Middle East potentates, Mexican elites, etc. All of them spend a great deal of money to come to the US as we have the best health care (not the cheapest) in the world. That goes bye bye with single payer.
    There will always be a market for cash payers.
     

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    Canadians have to come to the U.S. for good healthcare. All of them spend a great deal of money to come to the US as we have the best health care (not the cheapest) in the world. That goes bye bye with single payer.

    Is there any truth to that?

    Interestingly, 3 weeks ago I was hiking in Banff, Alberta, Canada.
    Next door to the condo I was renting was a group of eight Canadian women, all in their 60s, on their long-time annual trip away from their husbands.

    I chatted with them in the hot tub three nights in a row about a lot of stuff.

    They, each and every one, feel that they get great care in nearby Calgary and none have traveled to the US nor have they payed extra for concierge private docs.
    They see our system as a mess and wonder how we put up with it.

    Once again, I don't believe the nonsense our media shovels at us. I got pretty much the same answers from the Brits three years ago in my travels there.

    Single party payer is ultimately our future.
    Can we do it right? That's the question.
     

    oldag

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    On Canada, etc. Yes, it is true. The folks you talked to may not have had any serious issues. Have worked with a lot of Canucks over the past decade. Folks with serious health problems come into the US if they can at all afford it. Two problems.

    One, level of expertise amongst the medical profession. Under single payer, docs get paid a lot less. The best and brightest find other professions with better returns. Why go through four years of college, med school, then residency just to make a mediocre salary (compared to non-single payer). Accordingly, the expertise level drops.

    Second, Canadians have to wait longer to get CT's, MRI's, etc. (less equipment available). Also, long wait lists for transplants, etc.

    I do know for a fact that the well off of many foreign countries come to the US for medical care. Often to the Houston medical center. Many Mexicans go to San Antonio.

    As to the comment that there will always be a market for cash payers, they will only pay cash for top notch medical care. These foreigners are not going to Canada, they are coming to the US. For a reason.
     

    wakal

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    Having lived in countries with single payer...and used US Government Official Single Payer health care for the better part of three decades...no, no one in their right mind wants single payer. Except, of course, for those on top of the heap...care is great for the masters, but not for the serfs.

    I called Cruz and thanked him for NOT supporting RINOCare. Let the system collapse, and keep pointing out that Democrats caused it and RINOS refused to fix it. This is...and has been...a system of suck and fail, and it is really hard to watch good Americans hurt by it. But it also hurts watching godsdamned third world criminals...looking at you, Mexico and points south...as well as far, far too many Africans...get treated better than those Americans by the system that the Democrats built (and the RINOs enabled).

    If you are not an American citizen, GTFO. We already have enough welfare queens (and kings); we don't need more from your third world shithole.

    Point? No, none to be had. Lets watch the world burn and vote out ALL the bums...RINO and Democrat alike...to sift through the ashes and try to make America great again.
     

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    I called Cruz and thanked him for NOT supporting RINOCare. Let the system collapse, and keep pointing out that Democrats caused it and RINOS refused to fix it.

    Will they allow it to collapse, or will they bail it out? These are the same folks who for years said they would repeal it if they were elected. Now that they have their chance, they're backpedaling fast.
     

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    Maine GOP senator Susan Collins announced her "NO" vote.
    It's dead.
    ........................
    We've allowed ourselves to be painted into a terrible corner.

    On one hand the GOP has promised, for 8 years now, that they would "Repeal" 2010's ACA.
    On the other hand they have fallen on their own dagger on the "Replace" component, having produced a replacement that is woefully inadequately constructed.
    ........................
    My observation:
    The voting public, by a solid majority, has come to believe that affordable (not free) health care is a basic governmental responsibility and a societal right.
    Obamacare tries to much to make it free.
    The GOP tries to deny that it is a right.

    As of Saturday 60 Senate votes are needed to pass a bill.
    Any bill this important to the citizenry of our proud nation damn well should be supported by over 60% of our senators.

    It's time for bipartisan "Repair and Re-write" Obamacare, as a lot of it works well but it's unsustainable.

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    HKS

    If Healthcare is a Right then Doctors need to work for free


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    HKShooter65

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    If Healthcare is a Right then Doctors need to work for free


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    Nonsensical non-sequitur.

    Basic education is an American right.
    Police protection in an American right.

    Teachers and cops do not work for free.
    Nor should our physicians.

    Respectfully......the logic evades me.


    When Ronald Reagan signed the EMTALA Act in 1986 it became an unfunded mandate.
    Quite simply, Reagan established health care for 100% of Americans as a codified right.

    How, oh how, have so many forgotten this law???
    Google it. Fact-check me.

    I am in health care consulting.
    If a physician forgets or fails to abide the EMTALA law he or she can be imprisoned.

    Health care, unequivocally, indesputably has been a right for 31 years since Reagan signed the law.

    Affordable and accessable health care is therefore America's challenge.

    Obamacare addresses our right to health care quite inadequately.
    Graham-Cassidy makes us look like fools.
     
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    BillFairbanks

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    Nonsensical non-sequitur.

    Basic education is an American right.
    Police protection in an American right.

    Teachers and cops do not work for free.
    Nor should our physicians.

    Respectfully......the logic evades me.


    When Ronald Reagan signed the EMTALA Act in 1986 it became an unfunded mandate.
    Quite simply, Reagan established health care for 100% of Americans as a codified right.

    How, oh how, have so many forgotten this law???
    Google it. Fact-check me.

    I am in health care consulting.
    If a physician forgets or fails to abide the EMTALA law he or she can be imprisoned.

    Health care, unequivocally, indesputably has been a right for 31 years since Reagan signed the law.

    Affordable and accessable health care is therefore America's challenge.

    Obamacare addresses our right to health care quite inadequately.
    Graham-Cassidy makes us look like fools.

    Not nonsensical at all.

    Either doctors work for free or the government makes you pay for my health care.

    Either way, it's government oppression and socialism.

    You may be excited about the taxpayer dollars your industry gets to steal. However this ends one way. See Venezuela.


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    AustinN4

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    Health care, unequivocally, indesputably has been a right for 31 years since Reagan signed the law.

    Affordable and accessable health care is therefore America's challenge.

    Obamacare addresses our right to health care quite inadequately.
    Graham-Cassidy makes us look like fools.
    And your solution is?????????????
     

    oldag

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    Will they allow it to collapse, or will they bail it out? These are the same folks who for years said they would repeal it if they were elected. Now that they have their chance, they're backpedaling fast.

    that is exactly my concern. They will cave and bail it out.
     
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