.44 through .45ACP can, .357 through 9mm can? Advisability?

HKShooter65 · Nov 17, 2017

I'm pretty sure no one will have a precise answer.
I'm pretty sure AAC will say "not approved" or "voids warranty".
I'm just wondering, given the near-infinite wisdom here.....somebody knows.

I have a 9mm AAC Ti-rant
9mm is a 0.355 bullet.
38 special and 357mag are 0.357 bullets.
The .357 projectiles fall right through my 9mm AAC can so there is enough clearance.

Question: Is the huge gas pressure from the .357 magnum going to be abusive to my 9mm can?

Similarly...shooting .44 Magnum through my .45AC AAC can?????
45ACP projectile is 0.451 inch projectile and 44Mag is 0.429 so the hole is no issue.
Am I going to over-stress my equipment or is it a non-issue???

You all might me ascertianing, correctly, that I push all my gear to the unreasonable limit. You would be correct.

Opinions?
Consternation?
Admonitions?

I shoot. I smile. I want to keep it that way.

HKShooter65 · Nov 17, 2017

oh....I should add.....

before some self-appointed troll-buster points out that I can't put a silencer on a S&W m27 or m29........

I have a 0.5x28 threaded Ruger 77/357 and a 0.578x28 threaded Ruger 77/44.

I somehow, grace of god, came across both those already-threaded rifles strolling the gun shows. I believe in both karma and miracles.

Those are the firearms prompting my inquiry.

HKS

IXLR8 · Nov 17, 2017

Silencerco Hybrid .46
.223 through .458 SOCOM
9mm to .45 ACP
It works very well.

HKShooter65 · Nov 17, 2017

IXLR8 said:
Silencerco Hybrid .46
.223 through .458 SOCOM
9mm to .45 ACP
It works very well.

Gotcha.

I have a Hybrid.
It'll handle .458WM or my .338Lapua!
I'm now looking for a 45-70 to thread and shoot through it.

Just wondering how robust and abusable the "lesser" cans are in this board participant's experiences.

orbitup · Nov 17, 2017

I don't know if I would want to run a 357 through a 9 can but I run 44mag through my 45 Osprey. I make them subsonic anyway so they aren't full pressure loads.

Mikewood · Nov 17, 2017

Do not exceed the designed for cartridges velocity. You might get a few shots but eventually you will over stress the can and cause a catastrophic failure. We can’t say reliably if that will happen in 10 rounds or 1000. How many time can you put a 2016 corvette stingray in the red before rebuilding the engine? The problem with the suppressor is when the “engine blows” it’s literally at arms length.

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ScorpionHunter · Nov 17, 2017

I don’t have those ACC cans but I’ve run .357 through my Liberty infiniti and mystic a few times on a marlin 1894. I don’t think they were damaged. But I mainly shoot .38 in that rifle so I can’t say what the long term impact would be.

Huntindoc · Nov 17, 2017

38 through your 9mm can is fine. 357 is verboten. Similarly 44 special is fine through the 45 can but magnums are not through any TiRants.

Younggun · Nov 18, 2017

Being on a rifle you will probably see significantly lower pressure at the muzzle than you would in a pistol.

Comparing the muzzle pressures using quick load or a similar program would probably give you an idea of what the can would be dealing with vs what it's designed to handle.

HKShooter65 · Nov 18, 2017

Mikewood said:
Do not exceed the designed for cartridges velocity. You might get a few shots but eventually you will over stress the can and cause a catastrophic failure. We can’t say reliably if that will happen in 10 rounds or 1000. How many time can you put a 2016 corvette stingray in the red before rebuilding the engine? The problem with the suppressor is when the “engine blows” it’s literally at arms length.

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HKShooter65 · Nov 18, 2017

Yep, your post steers me to common sense.

Truth-be-known shooting subsonic 38spl or 44spl through a can is vastly more pleasurable anyway, lacking the sonic crack.

I'll save the occasional .357mag for a coyote or 44mag for a piggy.

What I lust for:
A friend has a 9mm Crux Saxon 9 designed for 9mm handguns but, amazingly, with it's being rated for any big magnum that will fit through the titanium monocore baffle. Now that we can all shoot game suppressed he threaded his .270WSM. That is a good round for anything I'll ever point a rifle at!
I want one!

BTW Mikewood.....your Corvette redline engine-blow analogy is near and dear to my heart.
I drove a 2009 BMW M5 as my daily driver 2011 to 2015.
I never never ever ever went a day without pushing to the 8,750 RPM redline.
At 58,000 miles a crankshaft bearing disintegrated showering the internals with metal particles.
Unlike Chevy mechanics BMW dealers don't rebuild anything. They replace!
A new V10 engine from Germany was $42,000 which was $7,000 over the lifetime limit of my extended warranty!!!!!

See.
Toldja I push things to the limit and beyond.

HKShooter65 · Nov 19, 2017

Well.....I think I answered my own question today by shooting a lot (~300 rounds) of 38spl, 357mag, 44spl and 44mag all done both with and without suppressors out of rifle-length barrels today.

All done through a couple of rifle-magnum-approved suppressors mounted on my Ruger bolt rifles. a 77/357 and a 77/44.

The two sides of the same coin:
38 special out of a 16.1" rifle barrel suppressed and 44 social out of a 18" bolt rifle barrel suppressed are absolutely a joy to shoot. Both make a sound akin to a very loud "puuuhhh" in a watermelon seed spitting contest.
The 44 was actually softer sounding that the 38 .

On the other hand both the 357mag rounds and the 44 mag rounds make the loudest and harshest sonic crack I've experienced.
I suspect that the non-aerodynamic pistol pounds pushed to higher than usual velocities simply make a terribly loud and raucous sonic crack!!
Additionally the slow (relative to suppressed 5.56 or 7.62) projectiles make a crack of relatively longer duration, hence they seem louder and more annoying.

My conclusion is that subsonic and suppressed 38 and 44 rounds are fantastic plinking rounds and the occasional game or varmint rifle shots made by the 357mag or 44mag don't need to be suppressed and you guys are right, in that I don't need to be abusing my 9mm or 45ACP cans with hot revolver pistol rounds.

My other reinforced, long held belief is that pistol rounds out of carbines are just massive fun!!!!

38spl and 44spl rounds are uncommonly suppressed but make great hosts!!!

HKS

orbitup · Nov 19, 2017

Here is my 44 plinker. I had this H&R cut down to 16 1/2" and threaded.

HKShooter65 · Nov 20, 2017

Orbitup, I'd think that beast should be crazy quiet given it's huge interior volume.

44 special must be great and my aforementioned sonic crack with 44 mag is unavoidable. Darn physics!

Planning an optic?

orbitup · Nov 20, 2017

HKShooter65 said:
Orbitup, I'd think that beast should be crazy quiet given it's huge interior volume.

44 special must be great and my aforementioned sonic crack with 44 mag is unavoidable. Darn physics!

Planning an optic?

I have a cheap red dot on it now. And yeah, it's quiet.

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Techna · Dec 3, 2017

I shoot .357 through my Mystic X without worry. This out of a Ruger 77/357 and a Marlin 1894. I don’t remember them being any more unpleasant than 5.56 or 300blk supers through my other cans.

diesel1959 · Dec 3, 2017

HKShooter65 said:
oh....I should add.....

before some self-appointed troll-buster points out that I can't put a silencer on a S&W m27 or m29........

I have a 0.5x28 threaded Ruger 77/357 and a 0.578x28 threaded Ruger 77/44.

I somehow, grace of god, came across both those already-threaded rifles strolling the gun shows. I believe in both karma and miracles.

Those are the firearms prompting my inquiry.

HKS

Not trolling at all; however, one quick call to the suppressor manufacturer will give you the answers you seek.

I think I'd be more apt to say "yes" if the can was one like a SiCo Omega 9K or Omega 45K, with all-steel construction and not aluminum, and are capable of some centerfire rifle stuff. The Omega 9K is specifically set up for .300BLK (supers and subs) so I'm certain it could handle .357mag. I'd be willing to bet that the Omega 45K could handle .44Mag.

I've got one of each of these cans right here in Houston if you'd like to give them a try on those rifles of yours . . .

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