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    diesel1959

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    I think it's a strong statement that:

    (1) we need the wall and move OFF any progressives who disagree; and
    (2) we need snipers to protect the area until the wall is built and move OFF any progressives who disagree.

    It seemed pretty much like a call for progressives to back off and NOT a placement of blame on Trump.
     
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    diesel1959 said:
    I think it's a strong statement that:

    (1) we need the wall and move OFF any progressives who disagree; and
    (2) we need snipers to protect the area until the wall is built and move OFF any progressives who disagree.

    It seemed pretty much like a call for progressives to back off and NOT a placement of blame on Trump.
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    I agree on the wall. I lol at "snipers".

    When you say X would not have happened if Y had done something, that is a blame of Y.
     
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    If they wanted it stopped. They don't. These are democrat voters and cheap labor. The population is aging and population correlates with GDP.

    I don't see it stopping or being stopped. It's intentionally being allowed.
     
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    Charlie Primero said:
    No. It's the fault of people who won't let President Trump put Snipers on our border to shoot alien invaders, and the people who incentive illegals to come here by hiring them, and the people who want to flood the U.S. with millions of new people who will vote Democrat.
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    Have you read up on Soros? Globalism. Population replacement and the 4th turning?

    Interesting reads. That's all I'm saying. Besides you needing to have kids. Lots of them. Lots of boys if you can...
     
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    Maybe I'm not understanding the concept of snipers on the border. Would they shoot all illegals, or just the adult men? Or just drug dealers?
     
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    A "lot" of snipers...

    Okay, let's put snipers on the border. How hard will that be. Now we figure snipers are good to 1000 yards on a reasonable basis, but in field conditions, that can be much more difficult and require numerous shots for a kill, so let's call it 600 with a high level of certainty.

    So the border is 1954 miles with Mexico. Some 700 miles are already fenced, but the reality of it is that the fence there pretty much sucks as people go under it, over it, and through it. So converting miles to yards gives us 3439040 yards. Divide that by 1200 (600 yard radius) gives us the need for 2866 non-overlapping sniper fields of fire. It isn't enough to have a sniper in a given position, but a sniper team of at least 2, more if you are going to include actual security and such. You would minimally need three shifts a day, if not six. Assuming two man teams, that would mean 5732 operators on duty at any one time, or 17196 a day for 3 shifts or 34392 operators with 6 shifts if you don't want to overstress them to the point of being ineffective. Assuming you aren't working them more than 40 hours a week, you will need 40% more to cover the weekends, so you will need 24075 to 48149 plus additional members to cover illness, vacation, etc.

    So we just need to ramp up sniper school operations (which will cost millions) and train the additional 10s of thousands of snipers that will have to be vetted personnel, of course. They will take 10s of millions to train and another 100 million a year or so to pay, not to mention additional overhead of supervision and such. Never mind all of the improvements to the landscape that will have to be made to make sure all of the sniper positions are actually suitable.

    But otherwise, yeah, we can just whip that together in the mean time while we are waiting on a wall to be built.
     
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    If a wall doesn't work, how come the White House and prisons all have 'em?

    You don't just put up a wall and walk away. You put up a wall then patrol/defend it.

    Way easier to defend than open terrain.

    And the border wall in San Diego has been extremely effective. Of course, only wealthy Californians can have a politically correct wall.

    All other walls are racist.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/immigration/sd-me-borderwall-update-20170124-story.html

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    Double Naught Spy said:
    A "lot" of snipers...

    Okay, let's put snipers on the border. How hard will that be. Now we figure snipers are good to 1000 yards on a reasonable basis, but in field conditions, that can be much more difficult and require numerous shots for a kill, so let's call it 600 with a high level of certainty.

    So the border is 1954 miles with Mexico. Some 700 miles are already fenced, but the reality of it is that the fence there pretty much sucks as people go under it, over it, and through it. So converting miles to yards gives us 3439040 yards. Divide that by 1200 (600 yard radius) gives us the need for 2866 non-overlapping sniper fields of fire. It isn't enough to have a sniper in a given position, but a sniper team of at least 2, more if you are going to include actual security and such. You would minimally need three shifts a day, if not six. Assuming two man teams, that would mean 5732 operators on duty at any one time, or 17196 a day for 3 shifts or 34392 operators with 6 shifts if you don't want to overstress them to the point of being ineffective. Assuming you aren't working them more than 40 hours a week, you will need 40% more to cover the weekends, so you will need 24075 to 48149 plus additional members to cover illness, vacation, etc.

    So we just need to ramp up sniper school operations (which will cost millions) and train the additional 10s of thousands of snipers that will have to be vetted personnel, of course. They will take 10s of millions to train and another 100 million a year or so to pay, not to mention additional overhead of supervision and such. Never mind all of the improvements to the landscape that will have to be made to make sure all of the sniper positions are actually suitable.

    But otherwise, yeah, we can just whip that together in the mean time while we are waiting on a wall to be built.
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    The story the OP quoted from/linked to involved the Big Bend Area of the border. There are sections of the border where a wall might be problematic but elevated overwatch makes absolute sense. You just took the sniper comment to its absurd extreme and assumed the intent could be to blanket the entire border with snipers.

    As an example, the portion of the border where the border is the river, there can be a mix of wall and/or elevated overwatch or even no wall with only elevated overwatch.
     
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