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  • austinbirdnut

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-army-veteran-gun-owner-good-guy-gun-theory-ncna821976

    I'm not pointing it out for any other reason other than I thought this dipshit was a dipshit from the get go but I got to the end of the article and realized, ok, dipshit snowflake to top it off.

    Curious what everyones thoughts are. The "author" seems to overlook the fact that many gun owners and EDC'ers DO train, or at least try to, to help in any way possible. This screams "bought and paid for" to me...
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    MTA

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    And I really cant stand the pedestal this asshole places himself upon. Just because you did your four years or whatever doesnt make you any better than johnny jerkoff who goes to the range and trains his heart out every week, month etc. Getting yelled at for a few months, slapping on a beret and kicking boxes for a few years doesn't make you the resident professional on firearms or combat.

    Now if this guy is some ricky recon, MOH recipient or combat veteran, then I guess he knows something but his opinion is still complete horseshit. My only question to him or her or whatever the **** it is, is that what would you rather have, a fighting chance against an armed shooter as an untrained or undertrained LTC holder? Or would you rather die like a sheep since you cant possibly shoot someone unless you have gone to rifle qual once a year for four years in the military?

    And so no one gets upset, I was in the USMC but I have no illusions as to what my experience in the military has or hasn't given me.

    So I know everything you nasty civilians :usflag:
     

    C_Hallbert

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    This man? is using specific terms in his article that suggest his association with those pushing an anti/firearms agenda. Specifically, history of arrogance and hyper-masculinity. He did not learn those terms in the army. His article is a direct attack on the ‘Good guy with a gun’ descriptor recently use in the media.

    Clymer presents himself as an Expert Witness offering specific knowledge on the subject of firearms and what he lists as valid training methods, but in the process manages to shed doubt as to the competence and the trustworthiness of the trainees even in a strict military setting. This man does not trust anybody, or else he is trying to sway Popular Opinion by undermining the basic trust and respect between our citizens.

    In truth, the real danger from firearms to the average citizen is negligible with regard to total deaths and injuries from vehicular accidents, medical malpractice and self inflicted consequences of addictions. Data presented by anti gun groups invariably adds police shootings along with accidents and crimes.

    Besides, ownership and possession of firearms is not so much an issue of public safety as it is about the freedom and ability of the people to prevent or overthrow a tyranny. Clymer does not tread on this ground either because he does not accept its validity in modern times, or because he secretly favors a totalitarian government. I don’t believe anything he writes. Any man using hyper-masculinity as a valid point in an article has a Leftist Agenda. “You can say that again.... that’s for sure!”
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    benenglish

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    From the department of "Duh":
    At any time, the youngest private, if concerned, can call out “Cease fire!” while waving their arms and all action will screech to a halt. This is gospel.
    The author cites this as a sort of demonstration that someone must have trained into them a rare psychological toughness to take control of a situation.

    I think I was 20, with no self-defense training of any kind, the first time I stopped a line full of veteran shooters at a state championship match by screaming "Cease fire!" immediately after a firing string had begun. The Line Officer and every competitor down the line automatically repeated it. Everybody then started to look to me for an explanation when they all simultaneously realized the range owner's big, dumb dog had bolted downrange.

    I think he overestimates the need for psychological training for self-defense. Jeff Cooper commented often on the combat mindset, the mere willingness to fight, and how that, not pistolcraft, was 90% of the battle. To illustrate this, he liked to cite the case of a young couple who were attacked in their home. The attacker was armed and the couple had no means of defense. The attacker decided to tie up both of them, starting with the man. He ordered the woman to stay put, shoved his gun in his back pocket, and proceeded to tie up the man.

    The woman knew absolutely nothing of guns but she was, at some deep level, capable of valuing her life above that of the cretin who had invaded her home. While he was tying up her husband, she reached out, pulled the revolver from the bad guy's back pocket, pressed the muzzle against his back, and pulled the trigger.

    Problem solved.

    The writer of the article seems to believe that this inborn ability to fight is something not inborn but must be taught and, to top it off, successfully taught only by the armed forces (and maybe taught to LEOs). Absent that particular training, he seems to believe that everything will go wrong if a good guy with a gun faces a bad guy with a gun.

    To my mind, if a good guy with a gun is facing a bad guy with a gun, everything has already gone wrong. Yes, the good guy might make a mistake but, overall, I'd bet on them doing the right thing.

    In fact, we saw exactly that in the aftermath of the recent shooting in the Thornton, CO Walmart. There were a number of concealed carriers in the store at the time. Many drew guns. No one, however, went looking for a fight. They drew, stayed with family, and apparently intended to defend themselves only if the bad guy turned the corner and menaced them directly.

    These examples demonstrate to me that untrained civilians basically know right from wrong and can act on that knowledge.

    The author seems to feel that normal people don't know the difference and should wait for the police.

    With that viewpoint, I respectfully disagree.
     

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    The wing nut completely misses the point on why law-abiding citizens posses fire arms. I'll speak for myself. I support the 2A completely. I like guns. I want to be able to defend myself and family from evil-doers. I did not say, I would be defending every other Tom, Dick or Harry, but will act if push comes to shove. I want the option to throw-off the yoke of repressive government and to keep our illustrious political class guessing if they have gone too far in their powers. Lastly, we all have a God given right to self-protection. I am no victim. I'll take my chances armed.


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    Very well stated, Ben

    The wing nut completely misses the point on why law-abiding citizens posses fire arms. I'll speak for myself. I support the 2A completely. I like guns. I want to be able to defend myself and family from evil-doers. I did not say, I would be defending every other Tom, Dick or Harry, but will act if push comes to shove. I want the option to throw-off the yoke of repressive government and to keep our illustrious political class guessing if they have gone too far in their powers. Lastly, we all have a God given right to self-protection. I am no victim. I'll take my chances armed.
    And I'll add to this by saying that just the fact that the 2nd amendment is still in place could be a reason we haven't already been enslaved (literally) by a leftist regime from within... the very reason they attack the 2nd IS because they fear it. I believe they have next steps planned for after the American public is disarmed... I believe it involves taking your property and giving it to others, and much worse- the left is evil. There are many signs of this evil, you only have to look.

    ETA: I don't think much of the author of the leftist article, it has contradictions and hipocracy common to the left.
     
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    So who wants to take a guess at this guys MOS? Is there an official MOS in the USA for REMF?

    Although, I’m not sure that I would give 2 craps about his theories even if he was Ares disguised as the guy who shot Osama in the face. He is welcome to give up his guns and cower in a corner hoping he is left alive long enough to be a good witness all he wants. I’ll try the other approach if available.
     

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    You can google his name and you'll find that the author has been spouting genderfluid, "feminist", leftist, metrosexual etc etc pp shit on the HuffPo, at NPR and Twitter for ages; somewhere it says he went through infantry training but nothing as towards his MOS, attained rank or which if any decorations.
     

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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    No matter how wrong that opinion may be...


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    45tex

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    One can boil down the leftist to a person that hates the 1st amendment unless he/she agrees with the speaker, thinks Cops are Jack Booted Nazis but thinks only the Cops should have a gun. And uses their "rights" to advocate the removal of everyone's "rights."
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    I believe the author is playing into the gun grabbers hands with what he says. First of all, I believe he was exaggerating the "thousands of hours". Certainly basic training is grueling, but I have to doubt thousands of hours are spent in firearms training alone and certainly not law enforcement. Secondly, do I believe there are fools out there that own firearms? Absolutely, but I do believe the majority of firearms owners are responsible people.
    Pointing out things like that and then inferring that those are the vast majority of people that own guns is like saying there are fools driving vehicles on the road so the vast majority of people driving on the road shouldn't without thousands of hours of training.
     

    TxStetson

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    I believe the author is playing into the gun grabbers hands with what he says. First of all, I believe he was exaggerating the "thousands of hours". Certainly basic training is grueling, but I have to doubt thousands of hours are spent in firearms training alone and certainly not law enforcement. Secondly, do I believe there are fools out there that own firearms? Absolutely, but I do believe the majority of firearms owners are responsible people.
    Pointing out things like that and then inferring that those are the vast majority of people that own guns is like saying there are fools driving vehicles on the road so the vast majority of people driving on the road shouldn't without thousands of hours of training.
    I agree with that last statement for around here.
     

    Younggun

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    You can google his name and you'll find that the author has been spouting genderfluid, "feminist", leftist, metrosexual etc etc pp shit on the HuffPo, at NPR and Twitter for ages; somewhere it says he went through infantry training but nothing as towards his MOS, attained rank or which if any decorations.

    Basic training is just short for Basic Infantry Training. Probably went to Jackson...bleh
     
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