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  • Renegade

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    I was referring to his very last paragraph.

    Nighttime makes no difference in regards to burglary, and blanket statements about "at night you can bust a cap in that ass" are foolish.

    That is correct too. See what I posted. Only theft an CM have a nighttime qualification.
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    So you always have to go to trial even if it is a slam dunk case? That doesn't sound right but could very well be mistaken.
    If the grand jury indicts you you are going to have a trial unless the prosecutor agrees to drop it. Which they probably won't
     

    Davetex

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    Can one of the knowledgeable LEO's here give some examples of criminal mischief please? I see it listed all time in the local crime report, but I don't know what it involves. Thanks fellas.
     

    seeker_two

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    In a theft case like the OP mentioned, I probably won't use deadly force unless the perp became an immediate threat to me or others.....

    ....but, if I happen to notice a gopher digging up the ground somewhere between the perp and myself, I may have to take immediate action to stop that gopher from digging more holes.....because gopher holes are dangerous. I don't know how the perp would interpret my action at that point, but I'm sure the perp would agree that nearby gophers are dangerous and leave the area to avoid those dangerous gopher holes that I'm pointing out.

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    Younggun

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    How much is the portion of my life and labor sold in order to get that "stuff" worth?

    If "stuff" isn't worth a life then criminals shouldn't risk their lives to get it. Regardless of whether or not someone thinks a person should use deadly force to protect property, it is the thief who makes the choice to put their life on the line for said "stuff". It is the fault of the thief and the thief alone if their life is lost in an attempt to rob another of what they have traded their own life and labor for.
     

    jrbfishn

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    You put it in better words than me.
    Everyone has a right to EARN stuff. They do not have the right to take my stuff. And at the same time take the part of my life it took for ME to EARN my stuff.
    Thieves don't take stuff. They take your life. A piece at a time.

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    candcallen

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    Can one of the knowledgeable LEO's here give some examples of criminal mischief please? I see it listed all time in the local crime report, but I don't know what it involves. Thanks fellas.
    Damaging property that isn't yours and in no way a reasonable person would think they had a right to damage. Basically vandalism.

    Slashing tires, breaking Windows etc. Egging houses and TP-ing with crape paper where the ink permanently damages paint can be charged as criminal mischief.
     
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    Davetex

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    Damaging property that isn't yours and in no way a reasonable person would think they had a right damage. Basically vandalism.

    Slashing tires, breaking Windows etc. Egging houses and TP-ing with crape paper where the ink permanently damages paint can be charged as criminal mischief.

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    Lunyfringe

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    You put it in better words than me.
    Everyone has a right to EARN stuff. They do not have the right to take my stuff. And at the same time take the part of my life it took for ME to EARN my stuff.
    Thieves don't take stuff. They take your life. A piece at a time.
    At the same time, killing them takes a piece of your life... you can be a tough guy and say it won't bother you a bit, but there is a word for people that are truly like that- psychotic. It's human nature to second guess whether you needed to take their life.
    You will have to take time to sit on a grand jury while they decide whether to indict you, while you pay a lawyer with your hard-earned money. Those costs go way up if there is a trial.

    None of this is intended to defend what the thief does, or to get sympathy for him... it's just a realistic view of the world we live in today.
     

    TheDan

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    You will have to take time to sit on a grand jury while they decide whether to indict you, while you pay a lawyer with your hard-earned money. Those costs go way up if there is a trial.
    Yeah, at an individual level that really sucks. What's the cost to your kids, grand-kids, and extended family when criminals know there's little to no consequences to their actions?
     

    Lunyfringe

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    Yeah, at an individual level that really sucks. What's the cost to your kids, grand-kids, and extended family when criminals know there's little to no consequences to their actions?
    Who said there would be never be any consequences to the thief? Jail for them is a consequence that doesn't put me before a grand jury... if you have taken steps (like cameras) to secure your property, they are more likely to be caught.
    I just choose to have my eyes open to the consequences of my actions... if I believe lives are or will be in danger, I'll take appropriate action. But it's your life... you make your own choices. I just hope I'm not reading about your trial when you do.

    I seriously doubt the future of this nation will be decided based on one thief's continued consumption of oxygen, there are much bigger battles to fight.
     

    TheDan

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    Who said there would be never be any consequences to the thief? Jail for them is a consequence...
    Most criminals are born into abusive, authoritarian families. Going to prison for 9mo is like a family reunion for them. Recidivism rates prove that it's not a deterrent.

    Most importantly prison does absolutely nothing to make victims whole. If criminals were forced to pay restitution to the actual victims then it would make a better case for catching them instead of stopping them during the commission of their crime.
     

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    Most criminals are born into abusive, authoritarian families. Going to prison for 9mo is like a family reunion for them. Recidivism rates prove that it's not a deterrent.

    Most importantly prison does absolutely nothing to make victims whole. If criminals were forced to pay restitution to the actual victims then it would make a better case for catching them instead of stopping them during the commission of their crime.
    All I'm saying is shooting them won't make you whole, either... life isn't fair.

    It's unlikely that they have any assets for restitution, and if recidivism rate is as you state then you'd likely be receiving stolen property or money from crimes as restitution if you got anything at all.

    I still don't want to face a trial for killing someone over stuff... I take measures that hopefully (and so far has) deters them, and they move on to something (or someone) easier. If I caught them in the act, I'd do what I can to stop and/or detain them... if lives are threatened, then deadly force is authorized.
     

    diesel1959

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    All I'm saying is shooting them won't make you whole, either... life isn't fair.

    It's unlikely that they have any assets for restitution, and if recidivism rate is as you state then you'd likely be receiving stolen property or money from crimes as restitution if you got anything at all.

    I still don't want to face a trial for killing someone over stuff... I take measures that hopefully (and so far has) deters them, and they move on to something (or someone) easier. If I caught them in the act, I'd do what I can to stop and/or detain them... if lives are threatened, then deadly force is authorized.
    It's not about making yourself whole . . . it's about KEEPING yourself whole and preventing someone else from divesting yourself of part of that.
     
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