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  • Shady

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    Anyone consider the photo they used of the SBR they sell that was posted as the new firearm is just that And not what the new one looks like kind of like automakers cloaking the new models so they are not copied before production.

    I don't think anyone should be guessing it will come with a standard binary trigger or that some kind of hint can be gained from them photoshopping the rail.

    They did not use a real photo of it because they know it would be put under the microscope.
     

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    Anyone consider the photo they used of the SBR they sell that was posted as the new firearm is just that And not what the new one looks like kind of like automakers cloaking the new models so they are not copied before production.

    I don't think anyone should be guessing it will come with a standard binary trigger or that some kind of hint can be gained from them photoshopping the rail.

    They did not use a real photo of it because they know it would be put under the microscope.
    That is another possibility

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    Shady

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    and maybe FA submitted the patent and the ATF paperwork under an alias :) so no one could track down the secret non nfa sbr.
     

    NavyVet1959

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    Texas penal code 46.01


    Does not define a rifle.

    (10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

    46.05a1. or otherwise not subject to that registration

    So legal in Texas if true. Interesting

    Using that definition, then if I take a AR-15 lower that was sold as neither a rifle nor a handgun lower and put a short barrel on it then Texas would not have a problem with it. Of course, the Feds would.

    Texas has let some strange things get in some of their laws. That's part of the problem with having lawyers and politicians write laws instead of having them written by engineers. The politicians and lawyers don't pay attention to the boundary conditions whereas we engineers, we live for the boundary conditions. :)

    Texas has a law against what they call "zip guns". But, their definition of a zip gun is vague enough that it would prevent anyone from trying to design and build a new firearm, much less any of the hobbyist machinists from building their own firearm, even from raw metal stock. The feds don't have any sort of law against "zip guns", so why does Texas have even more restrictive laws than them?
     

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    With all the pistol braces especially the ones that collapse, I am suprised they even bothered going this route intead of desiging another brace for pistols and marketing that.
     

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    It pays to be the first for sure. Hopefully in their case it pays in a good way.

    When dealing with the ATF and lawyers, perhaps it pays better to be second. Just catch wind of what the first guy is doing, make your own prototype and test, then stand by for mass production if the first guy gets it approved selling it a bit cheaper.

    First guy won't really ramp up production until approval anyway, and you get to process a streamlined application based on precedent and avoid most of the lawyer fees and headaches.

    Of you could always charge the same or more money and pass it off because of your name like the big R is doing to Mossberg.
     

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    When dealing with the ATF and lawyers, perhaps it pays better to be second. Just catch wind of what the first guy is doing, make your own prototype and test, then stand by for mass production if the first guy gets it approved selling it a bit cheaper.

    First guy won't really ramp up production until approval anyway, and you get to process a streamlined application based on precedent and avoid most of the lawyer fees and headaches.

    Of you could always charge the same or more money and pass it off because of your name like the big R is doing to Mossberg.
    That's what I was going for in my second sentence. It pays to be first, but not always in a good way.
     
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    SQLGeek

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    Secret revealed:

    http://www.recoilweb.com/franklin-armorys-reformation-revealed-133042.html

    The barrel has lands and grooves but they are straight which makes it not a rifle.

    Initial offering will be in 300 BLK and looks to shoot out to around 100 yards. The test gun shot 3-4 MOA with 5.56.

    It also looks like they are developing a proprietary bullet for more precise or longer range work.

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    Sounds like they set sail for fail if that's the case. Either the accuracy of a musket or using proprietary bullets that may or may not be accurate.

    Maybe somebody else will want it, but it sounds like a big step backwards to me.
     

    NavyVet1959

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    I was always under the impression that the reason for the rifling requirement was so that bullets would have somewhat unique identifying marks on them after being fired. Even this sort of straight rifling will still give that.

    If you shoot a shotshell through a rifled barrel, you end up with a bit of a donut pattern in the shot. Some people have posted patterns of the .410/.45LC handguns and illustrated this. I was wondering at the time why the manufacturers didn't just put straight rifling in the barrels to make them more shotshell friendly while also keeping the rifling so that they mark the bullets as the ATF apparently wanted when they came up with those rules.

    I have muzzle loaded birdshot into a .22LR barrel and fired it with a .22 power load (blank) and the pattern did seem to be spreading out at a fairly close distance. At around 6 ft, the shot just barely stayed on a 8.5"x11" piece of paper.
     
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