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  • avvidclif

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    I seemed to have gotten confused over this whole deal. Several months back Trump said he would not continue DACA and gave the Legislature fair warning of this.

    Now unless DACA is extended the Dems shut down the government. Of course there is Trump's counteroffer about "The Wall". Standoff.

    This is where I get confused. Immigration Law is written by Congress by my understanding and not by presidential fiat (DACA). He gave Congress fair warning to craft a law about DACA and he would support it (from what I read). Congress sat on their rear and did nothing. BUT they are holding the country hostage over their failure to act??? That's where I get lost. If the Dems couldn't get a law passed concerning DACA then just maybe that's what the country wanted as shown by non-support so they try to back-door it.

    Thick skin shield on. Have at it. Maybe I'm just too simple to understand politics.
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    Shady

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    just remember even with a shut down the scum that let it get shut down still get full pay and benefits.

    Well I guess in the end everyone that is out of work now will get back pay like they have in the past so free vacation on us.
     

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    On the anniversary of DJT’s inauguration the Dems did not want news reports of his successes dominating the news cycle. Ergo (with planning) they got funding to run out at this time and used DACA as an excuse for not going along with the budget resolution.
     

    easy rider

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    If it wasn't for the fact that our service men and women not getting paid and several benefits cut off to those that need it, I would say leave it closed. Daca isn't even part of the operating budget and the people know that, the democrats are shooting themselves in the foot.

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    busykngt

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    What Shady said. Those government employees out of work will ultimately get all their back pay and allowances - making this just an extended vacation for them (at tax payer expense)! Imagine getting paid for doing no work? It’s a great job if you can get it!
     

    Symbolic

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    The shut-down in 2013 lasted for 16 days. And I think it was because Reps and Dems couldn't agree on Obamacare. Wonder how long this one will last.
     

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    If the Dems couldn't get a law passed concerning DACA then just maybe that's what the country wanted as shown by non-support so they try to back-door it.

    Thick skin shield on. Have at it. Maybe I'm just too simple to understand politics.

    I'll admit that I'm to simple to understand politics. However, I haven't believed that Congress truly represented their constituents wishes. They are acting on their own interests. We elect them hoping they'll do what we support.
     

    easy rider

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    Not all government jobs don't get paid during a shutdown. Unfortunately it's usually those that are on a tighter budget that are affected most. It's easier for those that aren't affected to say "keep it closed", then it is those, like our service men and women, that are. Plus, they don't get a vacation.

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    busykngt

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    The military isn’t effected. They’re on the job (just like the air traffic controllers). Not sure who you’re saying don’t get vacations? Military gets thirty days paid leave per year.
    Don’t know that you’re other comment is true either. Last shut down, all federal employees were reimbursed their back pay - at least according to the news reports at the time!
     

    easy rider

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    The military isn’t effected. They’re on the job (just like the air traffic controllers). Not sure who you’re saying don’t get vacations? Military gets thirty days paid leave per year.
    During a shutdown?

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    easy rider

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    The military isn’t effected. They’re on the job (just like the air traffic controllers). Not sure who you’re saying don’t get vacations? Military gets thirty days paid leave per year.
    Don’t know that you’re other comment is true either. Last shut down, all federal employees were reimbursed their back pay - at least according to the news reports at the time!
    Yes, they do get back pay, but if you're living paycheck to paycheck that doesn't make it easy. Plus benefits are halted.

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    toddnjoyce

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    On the military piece, after a 20+ year career, yes is affected, both directly and indirectly and it’s based each time on specific guidance for each shutdown.

    Combat ops don’t stop, pay does. Mission essential Ops continue, non mission essential stop. Most travel stops. Most services conducted by civilians are significant reduced and the essential responsibilities transferred to military members to do the minimum stuff.

    Members go to work everyday and do what they can do. Sometimes it’s a lot, sometimes it’s a little.

    Congress can pass a measure to continue military pay separately (as done in 2013) or not.

    In the several times this happened over my career, I can’t remember having missed more than one paycheck.
     

    majormadmax

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    On the military piece, after a 20+ year career, yes is affected, both directly and indirectly and it’s based each time on specific guidance for each shutdown.

    Combat ops don’t stop, pay does. Mission essential Ops continue, non mission essential stop. Most travel stops. Most services conducted by civilians are significant reduced and the essential responsibilities transferred to military members to do the minimum stuff.

    Members go to work everyday and do what they can do. Sometimes it’s a lot, sometimes it’s a little.

    Congress can pass a measure to continue military pay separately (as done in 2013) or not.

    In the several times this happened over my career, I can’t remember having missed more than one paycheck.

    Agreed, this is the 18th time this has happened since 1976, so it's nothing new.

    USAA is offering its military customers interest-free loans. That will help some, if not many.

    As for defense contractors, we are on a case-by-case basis. Those who aren't allowed to work must take leave or leave without pay, and they won't get back-pay for this.

    An OMB assessment found that the 2013 shutdown resulted in 10,000 stop work orders for contracts and numerous temporary layoffs, and payment delays “forced contractors to temporarily lay off employees and imposed particular financial hardship on small businesses with less ability to absorb losses and put off payments of their own.”

    So this political showdown has a much broader impact than many realize!
     

    majormadmax

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    Yes, they do get back pay, but if you're living paycheck to paycheck that doesn't make it easy. Plus benefits are halted.

    Unfortunately, some who are living "paycheck to paycheck" are doing so due to bad financial decisions on their part.

    When I first joined in 1981 I was taking home just over $300 every two weeks (the equivalent to $5.18/hr), but I knew to put at least some of that away in savings. I bought an inexpensive motorcycle as it was the only means of transportation I could afford. I got wet a lot riding it, and froze my ass off during the winters (I was stationed in the UK at the time); but it's all I could manage on my pay.

    Later as a captain when I had over 30 enlisted personnel working for me you know who drove the oldest, cheapest car? Yep, me.

    But that isn't unique to the military, we are a society of buying things on credit and unmanaged debt, and it extends to our government which is why we are in this mess again.

    By the way, while some benefits are affected it all depends on funding. Here's a good roll-up on what is (and isn't) going to occur during the shutdown...

    https://www.military.com/daily-news...nment-shutdown-would-impact-pay-benefits.html
     
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