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  • cb51

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    Okay, let me see if I got this.

    Some of you have a license. Some you don't have a license and refuse to get a license because of some political feelings, thus risk ending up a convicted felon and unable to own any guns at all?

    I guess I don't get it.
     

    avvidclif

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    Okay, let me see if I got this.

    Some of you have a license. Some you don't have a license and refuse to get a license because of some political feelings, thus risk ending up a convicted felon and unable to own any guns at all?

    I guess I don't get it.

    Simple, it's not a felony in most places. No-one will ever know I have one unless I need it. If that's the case a piddling UCW is the least of my worries.
     

    DwnRange

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    Simple, it's not a felony in most places. No-one will ever know I have one unless I need it. If that's the case a piddling UCW is the least of my worries.

    IIRC, Since the passage of the CHL in Texas, UCW is no longer a Class "B", but now a Class "A" misdemeanor, punishable by up to 1 year and up to a 4000 dollar fine - along with loss of not being allowed to apply for a CHL-LTC for 5 years. Should ya be in a bar or other prohibited place, then one could face a "3rd degree FELONY", be looking at 2-10 years and up to a 10,000 dollar fine and "loss" of all firearm privileges.

    (based on what I remember from being a former DPS certified CHL Instructor)
     

    OLDVET

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    Texas is a unique place.
    Years ago I went out to visit an old college buddy that lives in Midland. Saturday night, he said let's go to his favorite bar. I said sure. I was used to hard partying while in school. We drive out to a seedy roadside dive whose parking lot is filled with dualies and 3/4 ton 4 wheel drive farm trucks. I said, man we are going to get in trouble here! He said don't sweat it. He said "everyone in the bar had a firearm, and everyone knew everyone had a firearm" (except me!). Turns out the place was meek as a church social. I guess he was right.
    If he was correct, I hadn't been around that concentration of firearms since my Army days,
     

    DwnRange

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    Texas is a unique place.

    It is that......., in 2009 I quit the company I worked for in Houston and took a hiatus for 5 months out to Terlingua ranch. Made a few friends out there and every Monday night we'd meet at the Starlight Theater there in Terlingua for 2-4-1 burger night. One particular night my friend John and I joined some of his buddies I had not yet met at a table and later on we decided to stop off at La Kiva bar on the way back to the ranch, (I'd see it but never stopped as it was a bar and I always carried my Combat Master). So we stop, John and I head towards the door - I remember the CM and head back to the truck to leave my handgun, just as the other 3 fellas we'd ate with drive in and park. They get out of their vehicle and proceed to deposit 9 handguns into to the trunk of their car...., everyone of 'em was toting 3 handguns each! (revolvers, smallish SAs and even one derringer down a boot)

    Needless to say that was an interesting ride back to the ranch - turns out John didn't know their actual names, as he'd introduced them by nick-names at the Starlight and while nothing bad transpired that night. The owner of the La Kiva bar, which I met that night, a man named Glenn Felts, was killed some 5 years later, in 2014 by the large guy that was the bartender that night I stopped in, (my first and last stop at the La Kiva). He was later found not guilty by a jury over in Sierra Blanca even though everyone in Terlingua knew he did it. Seems they were both drunk after-hours when the incident occurred and the jury felt it was not intentional even though Felts was bashed against a tree IIRC and really pummeled by the much larger bartender.

    From that point on; ever time I went out to the Starlight, down to Lajitas for fajitas or simply to shop in Study Butte - I carried 2 Combat Masters and had J-frame Smith in the PU as ya never be too careful down close to border, apparently.

    FWIW - appears I did not note above, I've had a CHL since 1995 when I became a CHL Instructor - don't want folks to think I wasn't legal....
     
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    My adventure occurred back in 1971. I had just gotten out of the Army. My Odessa buddy was my big brother at Texas Tech. We were members of the ATO fraternity.

    I don't know if it was illegal to carry into an establishment that served alcohol back then.
    If it was, apparently no on cared.

    I am from Lubbock. I grew up in the rural countryside south of Lubbock. I am used to the "red neck" culture.
    Cowboy boots, cowboy hats, chaws of chewing tobacco, "nutting stallions", the whole works.

    This roadside beer joint was far more "red neck" than I had ever been exposed to. Like the song says "just a bunch of good ole boys" looking for some fun. Thank God. A chair and a liquor bottle are not much of a defense against a drunk with a handgun.

    Sorry for hijacking the original thread. I am surprised at the percentage of LTC people stated earlier. Almost everyone one I know, plus their wives has a LTC permit. Women apparently are a large percentage of new LTC permit applications.

    So be carefully out there. Bad conduct toward the next women you encounter may result in a little blood leaking from some part of your body. Especially with the "Me Too" movement.
     

    pharmaco

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    Is promoting illegal activity suddenly not against the rules?

    I get the "muh second amendment is the only permit i need" virtue signaling aspect, but come on guys.

    Render unto Caeser...
     

    deemus

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    Lots of out of state liberals now living in Texas that are afraid of guns.

    Also, the ability to carry in your vehicle likely keeps a few from doing it that might otherwise get licensed.
     
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    deemus

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    If you are talking about my thread, I am not promoting illegal activities. I am revisiting an incident that happened to me almost 50 years ago.
    Grow up.

    I don't think he was referring to you. A couple said (paraphrasing) "I rely on the 2nd amendment, and not a license" to carry a gun.

    OK in their car, but not on their person unless on private property.
     

    easy rider

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    Being from the northwest and had a Washington CHL, I too was amazed that there were so few here licensed. Although I moved to Oregon for over a year and much of that I still carried under my Wa. license. Before traveling nearly 30,000 miles and 8 months to get to Texas, I always thought Texas would be a place where most carried. I advocated and talked many people into getting their license in the northwest, so although I gave up all the guns I once had to travel, I was anxious to buy more and carry again.

    Upon moving to Texas and finding work I started to do just that, after waiting my allotted time I did get my license and have been carrying since. I have asked several, some that I know do own guns, why they didn't get a license and carry and many either say "haven't got around to it" or "too much trouble" and I just shake my head. I know they carry in their vehicles, but to me, trouble isn't going to wait for them to run to their vehicles to grab their gun. I'm not trying to push anyone, but to me there just seems to be too many ways things can go wrong carrying without a license.
     

    LOCKHART

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    You and I apparently grew up in different places, my friend. We didn't HAVE legal carry back in the sixties in Texas. You did what you had to do to protect your life and those of family. I make no apologies to you or anyone else for it either! Just the way it was.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    From 1871 until 1995 there was a Texas law against concealed and open carry, “An Act to Regulate the Keeping and Bearing of Deadly Weapons.

    It prohibited pretty much any carrying of a handgun by citizens. Thank you, carpetbagging Yankee Reconstruction.

    Enforcement was selective, more-so in urban areas but, really, until the 1990s Texas was primarily a rural state. Most of the growth in the cities has been since the 1990s.

    It took until four years after the Killeen Luby’s shooting for concealed carry to come to Texas. And, even then, it was a significant emotional event for both sides.

    I’d wager there are more people alive in Texas that can remember getting concealed carry than having only known concealed carry.
     

    OLDVET

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    It is a shame that our society has gone so far to the extremes when it comes to firearms.
    We seem to have two groups of people in our country when it comes to fires.
    One group is scared to death of firearms. They won't even have a conversation about them.
    My wife's aunt is one of them.

    Then you have the second group that is educated and experienced with firearms. I am one of the second group. I have been around firearms for over fifty years. My grandkids have received instruction concerning the safe handling of firearms. The two older grandkids join me at the range as often as possible.
    Hell, guys would come to high school with rifles hanging in the gun racks of their pickups when I was in high school back in 1966. No one even gave it a second thought.

    The past two days have provided us with examples of the first group. Two school shooting in two separate states. Schools teach kids to run and hide under desks or in closets. They should be teaching them to get as far away from the threat as possible. I can't see teaching kids to hunker down and wait for the attacker to come to them. Trying to hit a running target is a hell of a lot harder than walking you to someone crouching under a table.
    The Army taught me to access the situation and attack the most immanent threat first. I had rather be shoot head-on than in the back as I was running away.
    I am 70, so there wouldn't be much running with me. Now, it is more fight or die.
     

    Noggin

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    The percentages may be improving.

    The population (officially) of Texas is about 27 million. Of that 27M about 7 million are under the age of 18 so they could not have an LTC anyway. So only 20M are viable LTC holders (how many of those would be excluded by their legal history? have a guess).
    The stats show 1.2 million LTCs held as at May 2017. Meanwhile the DPS is issuing about 300K LTCs a year, therefore as of today we may well be approaching 1.5 million. It is possible that having 2 million LTC holders may not be so far away. 2 million out of a possible 20 million, well I am sure you can run the numbers.
     

    Reinz

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    I, like some others here carried illegally for over 20 years before permits were available. The majority of the reason I got my permit was due to the penalties involved if caught carrying without a permit.

    Back in the 70’s I knew a guy that owned an automatic car wash. I knew that he was exaggerating, but he made the comment once that practically every car that went through his place had a handgun under the seat.

    I think that a lot of folks still have those handguns under the seat, only now it is legal, so their attitude is why bother with a permit?

    I asked a friend once why he never got a permit. He gave me a confused look and said “why?”.
    I just told him that if he didn’t know why, I wasn’t going to get into it.

    I think what it basically it boils down to is that folks don’t want the RESPONSIBILITY or bother of carrying everyday. As y’all know, carrying is a HUGE responsibility.
     
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