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  • ZX9RCAM

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    Unless a person has avoided registering their guns, hiding them will probably not work. The feds would just charge you with the crime of not being in possession of a weapon registered to you. Illegal transfer, negligent loss or somesuch.

    Perhaps the only way to stave off confiscation is a mass uprising in support of the Constitution as it was written. Thereby forcing the unconstitutional legislation to be withdrawn. Even that is not guaranteed success. Too many people would probably still sit on their tails.
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    How is it seizure without compensation if you turn it in ?

    The stupid is strong in Denver... it was suggested that someone should turn in a 2x4 and a rubber band to the DPD and then sue them for seizure without compensation (basically theft by the state). There is 42 U.S.C. §1983 that would guarantee recovering attorney's fees. He thought it would be poetic forcing Denver to incur $150,000+ in attorney fees for confiscating a 2x4 and a rubber band. I like giving them a set of overalls as an idea, too... walk in wearing them, advise them you've used the suspenders as a "bump stock" before... so remove them in the station and walk out in your skivvies. "y'all want my thumbs, too? You're going to have to get a proper surgeon in here if you want them"
     

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    They will continue to try:

    1. Reducing the type of firearms that can be legally possessed
    2. Restricting ammunition supply
    3. Putting difficult technical restrictions on firearms (micro ID), so as to limit new manufacture
    4. Ban all importation.
    5. Ban manufacture.
    6. Implement a national registry, under the guise of tracking down those who misuse firearms to reduce crime
    7. When this does not reduce crime (as it never will), they will use this as an excuse to proceed to confiscation.
    8. They will start confiscation with threats and perhaps financial incentives to get people to turn their firearms in voluntarily.
    9. Next, they will try to pick those still owning guns off one at a time. Quietly. They will not issue a proclamation and send out a vast police force or the army. Such would invite large, organized resistance that would be too costly for the government (perhaps even failing completely and bringing the unlawful government down). No, heavily armed men will catch you in town. Or coming out to your car. Or walking to the mailbox. Or leaving work where you are not allowed to carry for fear of being fired. Or in the dead of the night. You will be arrested and your firearms will be seized. And this will be done before you can raise fellow 2A defenders to come to your aid. Maybe they will also hit some others simultaneously. But they will not come in force and hit the entire town. They may not visit your little part of the neighborhood again for a while. Let people get back in their routine and let their guard down. They are patient, but they will be back. And this is how they just might succeed.
    I agree that this is how it will happen. To edit #9: there will be false claims against an individual by "someone in the community" of child and/or spousal abuse. This will give the authorities cause to confiscate all of one's guns, for the safety of those in the household, until the trial....2 years down the road. In which time the guns were mistakenly destroyed.

    It will happen one gun owner at a time.
     

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    Spent 8 years beating this subject to death. Is there something new to discuss about it?

    Nope - it was stated best back in 2007.....

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it............ In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some...When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed...People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser...People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    written by Marko Kloos, 3/23/07 and referenced somewhat in Leo Tolstoy's "War and Peace" Vol. 3 (on Reason and Force)
     

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    Wow that’s good!

    One the advantages of doing the internet thing via lap-top or pc - when ya find information ya like, one can copy it to a Word file and save it on one's hard drive. (and with a terabyte back-up hard drive ya can have it pretty much indefinitely)
     

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    Lets clear the air and get to the root of the issue: It has NOTHING kids being killed, in fact the left rejoices every-time it happens.

    Few of the left will tell you what they really want, which is the total confiscation of All firearms except for those held in the hands of the military and the LEO’s. But wait, there are more exceptions they will never tell you about: The well-connected billionaire boys clubs, the bodyguards of the rich, famous and politico’s and of course the bad guys, the criminal element, they will always have guns; Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, pick you liberal city and guns abound.

    Fact is the left wants to kill the 2nd Amendment and if they could get a few more Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s on SCOTUS they could kill off the entire US Constitution…which Ms Ginsburg has no use for. That is the end game here.

    They are NOT going to confiscate them. Take the entire military + Police + DHS+ FBI + Boy Scouts + PTA + Hertz/Ryder Rent A Truck ETC ETC: You still lack enough people and truckage to haul them away, but what do you do with 120 Million guns x avg weight of 8 lbs each almost 1 BILLION pounds of guns. Logistics just does not work.

    Now the problem is not as difficult as we thought. The Govt has some VERY powerful tools: First they have a database of every gun that has gone thru NICS ( I KNOW you don't believe the crap that they don't keep a record, I spent 26 years in Fed Govt, trust me they got the records). Then they have the IRS...remember Obamacare, remember how SCOTUS shoved it down our throat? "Congress has UNLIMITED power to tax"

    If you go back and read anything Fienstein or Schumer etc etc says they tell us exactly how they are going to do it: Ask you to turn them in! The bulk of the people will GLADLY turn them in BECAUSE: They are law abiding people, death by a thousand cuts, WACO and the govt will pay them money and maybe give them a tax break on the loss.

    Most folks are law abiding and yes it is expected that about 66-75% of all people will turn in their guns. That IMO is a very realistic number. Oh they will sweeten the deal with buy back cash and I expect a tax deduct for all guns you purchased from a legit business that you paid over $1000 for with a receipt. Say you paid $1500 for your gun from Joes gun shop and you have the receipt, the first $1000 you eat and the $500 is deduct if the gun is 1 year or less old, $400 if less then 2 years etc.

    Not ever gun will qualify. My buddy who is a well known gun collector, you have read his articles in gun magazines for years, every gun he owns was made prior to 1900 and is classified as an Antique. He will keep his.

    Death by a thousand cuts starts out with a ban on AR's or ANY gun that have at least 1 Military trait, such as a pistol grip, bayonet lug etc (D Feinstien just wrote this a few days ago in her upcoming gun bill). "Gun's you already own will be Grandfathered" (her words)...till the next mass shooting, death by a thousand cuts approach. I sure would not pick an AR to do a mass shooting with. If the goal is carnage in a school room or office then nothing like a 12 ga with double OO.

    It will start small and grow from there till they get those of us who are holdouts. Then it will be WACO Time on some guy, maybe some of the folks I know with more than 100 guns. I personally at one time had over 200. But my military career with its moves and my divorce I sold off all but a few. By the way anyone who thinks Waco was anything other than a shot over the bow by the Feds to tell us gun guys who will happen if we don't turn them in. Clinton was supposed to have done a gun buy back and turn in but he appeased the UN and his power people behind him with the AWB...which clearly worked as there was not a single drive by Bayoneting in the entire 10 years of the AWB. (DRIPPING Sarcasm!!!!)

    After a Waco or 2 or more across the US they estimate all but 10-20% max will turn in and take the cash. WHY? Better still let me tell you WHY I won't turn mine in, even if the Waco is next door: NO kids, no grandkids, only son, end of the family line (yes I went to Vietnam in spite of that), I have no family except my wife we have not been married very long and she thinks like I do, she never had kids and what little family she has she is estranged from and they do not live in the US.

    In short, I wrote a blank check in Jan '67 to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and nothing has changed!

    What I don't have is a granddaughter saying granddaddy please give them your guns I don't want you killed.

    The take away: The immediate future with Trump and some other look ok, but longterm meaning another far left (Obama/Hillary) type and a Dem controlled Congress does not bode well for gun owners, the future (post 2020) is dim.
     

    oldag

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    Lets clear the air and get to the root of the issue: It has NOTHING kids being killed, in fact the left rejoices every-time it happens.

    Few of the left will tell you what they really want, which is the total confiscation of All firearms except for those held in the hands of the military and the LEO’s. But wait, there are more exceptions they will never tell you about: The well-connected billionaire boys clubs, the bodyguards of the rich, famous and politico’s and of course the bad guys, the criminal element, they will always have guns; Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, pick you liberal city and guns abound.

    Fact is the left wants to kill the 2nd Amendment and if they could get a few more Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s on SCOTUS they could kill off the entire US Constitution…which Ms Ginsburg has no use for. That is the end game here.

    They are NOT going to confiscate them. Take the entire military + Police + DHS+ FBI + Boy Scouts + PTA + Hertz/Ryder Rent A Truck ETC ETC: You still lack enough people and truckage to haul them away, but what do you do with 120 Million guns x avg weight of 8 lbs each almost 1 BILLION pounds of guns. Logistics just does not work.

    Now the problem is not as difficult as we thought. The Govt has some VERY powerful tools: First they have a database of every gun that has gone thru NICS ( I KNOW you don't believe the crap that they don't keep a record, I spent 26 years in Fed Govt, trust me they got the records). Then they have the IRS...remember Obamacare, remember how SCOTUS shoved it down our throat? "Congress has UNLIMITED power to tax"

    If you go back and read anything Fienstein or Schumer etc etc says they tell us exactly how they are going to do it: Ask you to turn them in! The bulk of the people will GLADLY turn them in BECAUSE: They are law abiding people, death by a thousand cuts, WACO and the govt will pay them money and maybe give them a tax break on the loss.

    Most folks are law abiding and yes it is expected that about 66-75% of all people will turn in their guns. That IMO is a very realistic number. Oh they will sweeten the deal with buy back cash and I expect a tax deduct for all guns you purchased from a legit business that you paid over $1000 for with a receipt. Say you paid $1500 for your gun from Joes gun shop and you have the receipt, the first $1000 you eat and the $500 is deduct if the gun is 1 year or less old, $400 if less then 2 years etc.

    Not ever gun will qualify. My buddy who is a well known gun collector, you have read his articles in gun magazines for years, every gun he owns was made prior to 1900 and is classified as an Antique. He will keep his.

    Death by a thousand cuts starts out with a ban on AR's or ANY gun that have at least 1 Military trait, such as a pistol grip, bayonet lug etc (D Feinstien just wrote this a few days ago in her upcoming gun bill). "Gun's you already own will be Grandfathered" (her words)...till the next mass shooting, death by a thousand cuts approach. I sure would not pick an AR to do a mass shooting with. If the goal is carnage in a school room or office then nothing like a 12 ga with double OO.

    It will start small and grow from there till they get those of us who are holdouts. Then it will be WACO Time on some guy, maybe some of the folks I know with more than 100 guns. I personally at one time had over 200. But my military career with its moves and my divorce I sold off all but a few. By the way anyone who thinks Waco was anything other than a shot over the bow by the Feds to tell us gun guys who will happen if we don't turn them in. Clinton was supposed to have done a gun buy back and turn in but he appeased the UN and his power people behind him with the AWB...which clearly worked as there was not a single drive by Bayoneting in the entire 10 years of the AWB. (DRIPPING Sarcasm!!!!)

    After a Waco or 2 or more across the US they estimate all but 10-20% max will turn in and take the cash. WHY? Better still let me tell you WHY I won't turn mine in, even if the Waco is next door: NO kids, no grandkids, only son, end of the family line (yes I went to Vietnam in spite of that), I have no family except my wife we have not been married very long and she thinks like I do, she never had kids and what little family she has she is estranged from and they do not live in the US.

    In short, I wrote a blank check in Jan '67 to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and nothing has changed!

    What I don't have is a granddaughter saying granddaddy please give them your guns I don't want you killed.

    The take away: The immediate future with Trump and some other look ok, but longterm meaning another far left (Obama/Hillary) type and a Dem controlled Congress does not bode well for gun owners, the future (post 2020) is dim.


    Don't shortchange those with children, grandkids, etc.

    Some of us are willing to sacrifice for the freedom of our kids and grandkids.
     
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