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Army Drops Hand Grenade and Land Navigation from Basic Training

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  • TexasBrandon

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    Well, in all seriousness, we used DAGRs and PLGRs most of the time. Now that doesn't excuse not knowing how to read a map, keep pace, use a compass, and be able to use a protractor and get grid squares to at least 6-8 numbers but still. With today's information age, technology is replacing the old way of doing things. But, as the article states, they will still go through the training but no validation of knowledge will happen. Land nav definitely isn't going anywhere and the throwing argument is garbage.

    The point of basic training is to get you into a minimal fit level and be combat ready. Part of that is being of strength to lob a grenade which doesn't weigh much. That being said, non-line unit MOS soldiers won't ever throw a grenade in today's environment. While I was in 4th ID and 1st Cav, I never had the need to throw a grenade, shoot a rifle yes, but not throw a grenade. This type of certification will be most likely be moved to their AIT. Infantry, artillery, tankers, and those of combat MOSs will still get certified.
     

    GeorgeandSugar

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    Grenada and land navigation in AIT then? The lack of discipline is a red flag for me. I wonder how prevalent this discipline is with new recruits. Looks like the Army and perhaps services will be addressing more of this to get them up to speed. I wonder how many are high drag and low speed?


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    TexasBrandon

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    When I was getting out of the Army in 2009 the level of stupid and "privilege" as well as lack of respect for an NCO was staggering. I continue to work with the Army today and it is even worse. I teach them the IT skills they need after their AIT and help them obtain certifications by putting them through the various courses we offer here on Fort Hood. Often times when I see soldiers standing around there is no "parade rest" or respect for NCOs or the commissioned folks like officers and chiefs. Still, they are mostly of better caliber than the snowflakes you see in Austin.
     
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    Lobbing grenades was the most fun I had in basic.


    I remember the instructor the most. E5 that had to train us. He said the Lord's prayer before walking the first person to the line. You'd get a grip. What kind of grip? Death grip. Spoon go's in the pocket of the hand. Pull the pin and chunk. He'd snatch your a$$ down and both of you would hit the dirt. Ka-Boom.

    I've never had more respect then I had for the instructor. Titanium balls and wild eyes.
     

    C_Hallbert

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    When I was young we learned Land Navigation (Orienteering) in Scouting. My Scoutmaster was an old Retired Army E8 who would kick you in the ass if you needed it. It was not much different than we were taught in the Corps.


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