At the range what distance do you practice most at?

Kar98 · Feb 20, 2018

If you're calling me a blind swine, then... well I guess I do resemble that remark, lol.

benenglish · Feb 20, 2018

oldag said:
Snuff can at 200 yards with a pistol and iron sights? Sorry, but I would have to see that to believe it.

With young eyes, good technique, the proper equipment, and good ammo, it's possible to consistently hold 1 MOA with a pistol.

The pistols look like this:

...and until you've shot one, you can't understand what's possible.

Oh, and those snuff cans? The last time I saw an IHMSA shoot-off using snuff cans was before the rules were changed to require target-shaped targets for shoot-offs. In the early days, anything could be used as a target to break ties. Anyway, the last time I saw it done, the snuff cans were painted orange and laid flat on the rail. The visible target was less than three inches wide and less than an inch tall. The winner hit 3 of 5 in 2 minutes.

Here's a more normal shoot. These targets are about 5 inches across the body, being shot at 200 meters with iron-sight pistols. Note the banter; the shooters are taking note of POI changes of an inch or two as if those are significant. Why? Because they are significant. Shooters at this level expect to be able to hit something half this size every time. These chickens, under good conditions, are virtual "gimmes" for shooters who are on top of their game.

If you don't believe snuff cans at 200 can be hit more often than not with iron-sight handguns, from position, then you haven't spent enough time around people who know how to shoot.

Vaquero · Feb 20, 2018

Why I bought a Dan Wesson 15-2 pistol pac in the 1st place.
Thanks Ben.

Kosh75287 · Feb 20, 2018

3 to 50 yards, but not the same amount of rounds at each. 75 - 80% of MY practice is at 3 to 20 yards. The rest is at 25 & 50. I try to shoot small groups at longer ranges, then speed it up, if I can.

Of course, when the question of "practice" comes up in a section marked "handguns", the context that comes to MY mind is skills practice with a defensive pistol, from arm's length to about 50 yards. I CAN hit with my EDC beyond 50 yards, but I'm afraid that no snuf-can need fear me from 200 yards out.

wmullis0 · Feb 20, 2018

benenglish said:
With young eyes, good technique, the proper equipment, and good ammo, it's possible to consistently hold 1 MOA with a pistol.

The pistols look like this:

View attachment 131630

...and until you've shot one, you can't understand what's possible.

Oh, and those snuff cans? The last time I saw an IHMSA shoot-off using snuff cans was before the rules were changed to require target-shaped targets for shoot-offs. In the early days, anything could be used as a target to break ties. Anyway, the last time I saw it done, the snuff cans were painted orange and laid flat on the rail. The visible target was less than three inches wide and less than an inch tall. The winner hit 3 of 5 in 2 minutes.

Here's a more normal shoot. These targets are about 5 inches across the body, being shot at 200 meters with iron-sight pistols. Note the banter; the shooters are taking note of POI changes of an inch or two as if those are significant. Why? Because they are significant. Shooters at this level expect to be able to hit something half this size every time. These chickens, under good conditions, are virtual "gimmes" for shooters who are on top of their game.

If you don't believe snuff cans at 200 can be hit more often than not with iron-sight handguns, from position, then you haven't spent enough time around people who know how to shoot.

That’s not a pistol.

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Vaquero · Feb 20, 2018

Popcorn

BigTexasOne · Feb 20, 2018

I change distance after every ten rounds and I shoot at 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, 25yds. Not in order, but random distances until I've shot at them all, then with whatever additional ammo I have I continue to vary distances until I'm satisfied with my results. Our shooting league matches are 5 rounds of different distances, each round of 10 shots in 15 seconds. Sometimes 5, change mags, then 5 more in 20 seconds. At distances we do not know until just before that round. Last Friday night, I shot a 500 out of 500. 6 inch circle = 10pts, next circle out 8, 5, 3, 0. In last months match I shot 496/500. I practice to what i compete! btw, Canik TP9sfx with Burris FastFire III.

Shotgun Jeremy · Feb 20, 2018

I like to practice at the 3 yd line. Then I don't miss the paper as often.

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benenglish · Feb 20, 2018

wmullis0 said:
That’s not a pistol.

That's so cute.

I've heard the same thing said about free pistols, rapid fire pistols, AR-pattern pistols, mini-revolvers, Deagles, and plenty of others.

They're all pistols; they're just built to accomplish different tasks.

V-Tach · Feb 20, 2018

3-25 yards.......
When shooting at the DPS range in Florence a few weeks ago, they had us shoot at 50...qualified with my New Agent w/3 inch barrel. Did pretty well...

oldag · Feb 21, 2018

benenglish said:
With young eyes, good technique, the proper equipment, and good ammo, it's possible to consistently hold 1 MOA with a pistol.

The pistols look like this:

View attachment 131630

...and until you've shot one, you can't understand what's possible.

Oh, and those snuff cans? The last time I saw an IHMSA shoot-off using snuff cans was before the rules were changed to require target-shaped targets for shoot-offs. In the early days, anything could be used as a target to break ties. Anyway, the last time I saw it done, the snuff cans were painted orange and laid flat on the rail. The visible target was less than three inches wide and less than an inch tall. The winner hit 3 of 5 in 2 minutes.

Here's a more normal shoot. These targets are about 5 inches across the body, being shot at 200 meters with iron-sight pistols. Note the banter; the shooters are taking note of POI changes of an inch or two as if those are significant. Why? Because they are significant. Shooters at this level expect to be able to hit something half this size every time. These chickens, under good conditions, are virtual "gimmes" for shooters who are on top of their game.

If you don't believe snuff cans at 200 can be hit more often than not with iron-sight handguns, from position, then you haven't spent enough time around people who know how to shoot.

For crying out loud.

Try that with a 4" barrel revolver or pistol, not an SBR.

NewToTX · Feb 21, 2018

Shotgun Jeremy said:
I like to practice at the 3 yd line. Then I don't miss the paper as often.

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lol

rman · Feb 21, 2018

I "train" at 7 yards. I make sure I can acquire the target quickly, especially on follow-ups, and try my darnest to shoot 1 ragged hole at that distance.

I "plink" with handguns around 10+ yards for fun and to hone in better accuracy than a defensive distance.

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Dawico · Feb 21, 2018

Vaquero said:
Why I bought a Dan Wesson 15-2 pistol pac in the 1st place.
Thanks Ben.

Nice revolver too.

One on my 100% @ 200 yards firearms. As in I picked it up, fired (bench/ supported) one round at the ~8" steel plate at 200 yards, hit it, set the gun down and walked away.

I have a few firearms like that. Nothing to gain by shooting again after a first round hit.

I have witnesses but nobody has to believe it. It matters not to me.

I used to do all my handgun shooting unsupported at 200 yards when I had my personal range at a man sized steel target. I shot everything at that distance including my Glocks, GP100s, 44 Magnums, Desert Eagle, LCR in 38 Special, 22/45s, and any other pistol I could get my hands on.

I completely agree with Ben. If you don't think it can be done then you need to get out more.

Dawico · Feb 21, 2018

oldag said:
For crying out loud.

Try that with a 4" barrel revolver or pistol, not an SBR.

I am willing to bet he has.

It isn't impossible just because you can't do it.

oldag · Feb 21, 2018

Dawico said:
I am willing to bet he has.

It isn't impossible just because you can't do it.

I did not say it was impossible. But there are probably only a handful of people in the world who can hit a snuff can at 200 yards with a 4" barrel handgun and using factory iron sights (more than once, anyhow, reference prior mention of blind sow and acorn).

bgw45 · Feb 21, 2018

How many sighters before a hit?

HKaltwasser · Feb 21, 2018

I start at 7 and move it out to 20 as the session goes on.

oldag · Feb 21, 2018

bgw45 said:
How many sighters before a hit?

They are all sighters until you finally hit.

M&P9_Rich · Feb 21, 2018

Bad breath to 20-25 yards.

At the range what distance do you practice most at?

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