How Would They Propose to Confiscate Weapons in the U.S.?

pitboxer said:

As long as people consider "us" and "them" the Hatfields and McCoys nothing will be accomplished. It's past time to stop beating each other up and LISTEN for a change. I for one STRONGLY oppose the any gun any time anywhere philosophy of the NRA. And yeah, I DO own guns. What you're accusing her of, no sources, she can repeat back to you. Yeah, we all know the argument of New York And California, but they can and do get guns right across the state line. They are wrong in trying to compare the USA to Australia, or Great Britain. But we too shout out opinions, NOT facts. Until people on both sides admit they aren't all right and the other side all wrong the mass shootings will continue. I don't want a fight with you, with the anti-gunners, with ANYBODY. I want a stop to the killings.

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pitboxer,

The TRUTH is: There is NO such thing as a solution to school safety because we are dealing with CRIMINALS, who do not obey laws & even if every lawfully possessed firearm in the World, by magic, vanished forever that CRIMINALS would still be armed & those of us who are law-abiding would be helpless against the armed lunatics/criminals.
FACT.

yours, satx
USAMPC, Retired

Humans have been making laws for at least 10,000 years. Seriously, if there was a law that would stop criminal behavior, there would no longer be criminals.

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oldag said:

Don't shortchange those with children, grandkids, etc.

Some of us are willing to sacrifice for the freedom of our kids and grandkids.

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The reality is that is the correct attitude. My father went off to war 3 times and proud of that, he showed me there are things in this world more important that him. He used to tell me: GOD, Country, Family in that order. Kind of oppsite of today, where is ME, Job.....................................................................Country...GOD??? you mean there is a GOD!

pitboxer said:

As long as people consider "us" and "them" the Hatfields and McCoys nothing will be accomplished. It's past time to stop beating each other up and LISTEN for a change. I for one STRONGLY oppose the any gun any time anywhere philosophy of the NRA. And yeah, I DO own guns. What you're accusing her of, no sources, she can repeat back to you. Yeah, we all know the argument of New York And California, but they can and do get guns right across the state line. They are wrong in trying to compare the USA to Australia, or Great Britain. But we too shout out opinions, NOT facts. Until people on both sides admit they aren't all right and the other side all wrong the mass shootings will continue. I don't want a fight with you, with the anti-gunners, with ANYBODY. I want a stop to the killings.

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I don't think you fully understand what the left wants: They want 100% NO GUNS!!! The school shootings continue because the LEFT is using them to rile up the people in hopes they will demand full gun control, registration and finally all over banning.

#1 The left does NOT CARE how many people die. In left thinking the MEANS always justify the ENDS!

A Special kind of STUPID:

Gun Free ZONES

Security Guards who are gun free and nothing but Security Monitors, they can stop NOTHING

FAILURE of local and Federal GOVT to react to know people with reported issues

Parkland-Cruz: OVER 30 police responses to his home; FBI notified 2 X and NOTHING done and all they can say in a press Conference is "We are sorry' and we are taking steps to see to it NEVER happens again"...EXCEPT they have said that time and time again since 9/11...WONDER WHY? See #1 ABOVE!!!

Believing that raising the age you can buy a gun from 18 to 21 will stop ANYTHING

Thinking that if a gun has a pistol grip OR a bayonet lug OR a folding stock it should be BANNED and they will stop EVERYTHING

Believing that "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle" therefore it should be banned

Believing that any of this will work:

"Assault Weapons Ban of 2017

This bill amends the federal criminal code to make it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD).

The prohibition does not apply to a firearm that is: (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model.

Additionally, the bill does not prohibit, with respect to a SAW or LCAFD:

• importation, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession related to certain law enforcement efforts, or authorized tests or experiments;
• importation, sale, transfer, or possession related to securing nuclear materials; and
• possession by a retired law enforcement officer.

The bill permits continued possession, sale, or transfer of a grandfathered SAW, which must be securely stored. A licensed gun dealer must conduct a background check prior to the sale or transfer of a grandfathered SAW between private parties.

The bill permits continued possession of, but prohibits sale or transfer of, a grandfathered LCAFD.

Newly manufactured LCAFDs must display serial number identification. Newly manufactured SAWs and LCAFDs must display the date of manufacture."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2095

Would you like for me to go on?

@gdr_11:

Again, I have to say "Don't underestimate the enemy" (The Left, Socialists, Democrats, etc.): Governments have disarmed their own people many times through history, how can you be sure it won't happen here?

In the America "of old" not likely, but America isn't like that anymore -- it's going godless/socialist/progressive, and their numbers are increasing. That means an even worse (more aggressive than we see today) anti-conservative agenda and efforts to outlaw (calling them "hate speech" or maybe "hate thoughts" -- besides the usual charges of being bigots, racists, and such) -- all values conservative America stands for. We've already seen the physical violence The Left (such as Antifa and BLM) has dealt out to conservatives, pretty much beating people up with nothing happening to them in response either from The Right assaulting THEM (no, it'd be self-defense as Antifa is always the attacker) or "the authorities" (LEOs, DAs, Mayors, etc.).

The deck seems stacked in their favor, not ours. And that's just NOW...wait for the next mostly Democrat-controlled government (President and Congress both) and it'll likely get worse/more widespread!

Sure, there're people who say they'd fight when a SWAT team come for their guns, but when any "confiscation" happens -- IF it ever happens -- with armed "authorities" at the door, it's my guess very few WILL fight...perhaps dying as free men (vs slaves) doesn't sound so appealing after all? So the government isn't likely to have a huge uprising they'll have trouble handling, and the many millions of liberals/Democrats in America nowadays won't protest the government's "oppression" of The Right as that's want THEY want done, too. And the American military (MOST of whom would probably follow orders) could take out pockets of "patriot resistance" resistance easily.

Does all that mean "we" should just roll over? No...but the prognosis looks to be poor for "patriots," which will likely at some point be declared "domestic terrorists" to make moving against them easier AND legal -- much like Nazi Germany did against certain groups, yes?

As for it not being possible to get rid of 9 million illegals here (probably 3X more than that though, but STILL no big problem) it's easily done if America were united (and conservative) but it's not, so that won't happen as the country is mostly liberal/Democrat and PRO-illegals. Why are liberals Governors and Mayors (and many Police Chiefs) of certain states clearly and BOLDLY breaking immigration law yet nothing is done about it? Why are those Governors, Mayors and Police Chiefs NOT arrested and jailed, and if need be, Federal troops sent in to deal with the problem?

Or maybe a more "peaceful" solution: Officially kick those states out of the so-called "Union of States" we're SUPPOSED to have? "Excommunicate" them (if you will)? ;-)

As for confiscating 300 millions guns, that'd be a bit more difficult, but still doable...it'd just take time, ESPECIALLY if there is no huge (and organized) resistance. Besides, so many people talk about "burying their guns" somewhere...HTH are they going to be any use against the enemy being BURIED? And buried for how long? Years? How would any resistance get started when no one is armed (because they buried their guns). Yet these same people do NOT talk about actively resisting -- DOING something. How helpful is burying guns vs. actively resisting?

But then maybe that shows what I'm talking about: If push comes to shove, "The Right" will fold...and they -- as well as the 2nd Amendment/RKBA in America -- will go out with a whimper instead of a bang.

Hope I'm wrong, but seeing the widespread laziness, apathy ("don't want to get involved" mentality) and complacency of almost all gun-owners (ESPECIALLY 99% of everyday gun CARRIERS), I can't really believe MOST pro-gun people would NOT roll over and accept the "new reality," sad as that is.

Even NOW some Republicans (and Trump) are caving-in to "the Florida Pressure." When The Left REALLY gets tough in America, how much faster will they fold THEN?

-- BR
(President, El Paso Open Carry)

Oh, there are tactics that can be used. Fighting at the front door is not recommended.

Picking your isolated defense location and using tactics to create a unique position to defend from ahead of time is much better.

People are not without options.

Ole Cowboy said:

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Believing that "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle" therefore it should be banned

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For us historians.....isn't it "Armalite Rifle"?

I suppose it could happen this way.

BillRedding said:

@gdr_11:

Again, I have to say "Don't underestimate the enemy" (The Left, Socialists, Democrats, etc.): Governments have disarmed their own people many times through history, how can you be sure it won't happen here?

In the America "of old" not likely, but America isn't like that anymore -- it's going godless/socialist/progressive, and their numbers are increasing. That means an even worse (more aggressive than we see today) anti-conservative agenda and efforts to outlaw (calling them "hate speech" or maybe "hate thoughts" -- besides the usual charges of being bigots, racists, and such) -- all values conservative America stands for. We've already seen the physical violence The Left (such as Antifa and BLM) has dealt out to conservatives, pretty much beating people up with nothing happening to them in response either from The Right assaulting THEM (no, it'd be self-defense as Antifa is always the attacker) or "the authorities" (LEOs, DAs, the Mayors, etc.).

The deck seems stacked in their favor, not ours. And that's just NOW...wait for the next mostly Democrat-controlled government (President and Congress both) and it'll likely get worse/more widespread!

Sure, there're people who say they'd fight when a SWAT team come for their guns, but when any "confiscation" happens -- IF it ever happens -- with armed "authorities" at the door, it's my guess very few WILL fight...perhaps dying as free men (vs slaves) doesn't sound so appealing after all? So the government isn't likely to have a huge uprising they'll have trouble handling, and the many millions of liberals/Democrats in America nowadays won't protest the government's "oppression" of The Right as that's want THEY want done, too. And the American military (MOST of whom would probably follow orders) could take out pockets of "patriot resistance" resistance easily.

Does all that mean "we" should just roll over? No...but the prognosis looks to be poor for "patriots," which will likely at some point be declared "domestic terrorists" to make moving against them easier AND legal -- much like Nazi Germany did against certain groups, yes?

As for it not being possible to get rid of 9 million illegals here (probably 3X more than that though, but STILL no big problem) it's easily done if America were united (and conservative) but it's not, so that won't happen as the country is mostly liberal/Democrat and PRO-illegals. Why are liberals Governors and Mayors (and many Police Chiefs) of certain states clearly and BOLDLY breaking immigration law yet nothing is done about it? Why are those Governors, Mayors and Police Chiefs NOT arrested and jailed, and if need be, Federal troops sent in to deal with the problem?

Or maybe a more "peaceful" solution: Officially kick those states out of the so-called "Union of States" we're SUPPOSED to have? "Excommunicate" them (if you will)? ;-)

As for confiscating 300 millions guns, that'd be a bit more difficult, but still doable...it'd just take time, ESPECIALLY if there is no huge (and organized) resistance. Besides, so many people talk about "burying their guns" somewhere...HTH are they going to be any use against the enemy being BURIED? And buried for how long? Years? How would any resistance get started when no one is armed (because they buried their guns). Yet these same people do NOT talk about actively resisting -- DOING something. How helpful is burying guns vs. actively resisting?

But then maybe that shows what I'm talking about: If push comes to shove, "The Right" will fold...and they -- as well as the 2nd Amendment/RKBA in America -- will go out with a whimper instead of a bang.

Hope I'm wrong, but seeing the widespread laziness, apathy ("don't want to get involved" mentality) and complacency of almost all gun-owners (ESPECIALLY 99% of everyday gun CARRIERS), I can't really believe MOST pro-gun people would NOT roll over and accept the "new reality," sad as that is.

Even NOW some Republicans (and Trump) are caving-in to "the Florida Pressure." When it The Left REALLY gets tough in America, how much faster will they fold THEN?

-- BR
(President, El Paso Open Carry)

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Never heard of the resistance in WWii? Things would be much the same. LEOs maybe. Especially in larger cities. Military not so much.
Resistance would take time to organize, but it would. The liberals would quickly loose their stomach for fighting when it is at their front door. Look how fast they lost it in Afghanistan. The fighting would look much the same except there would be military defectors on our side.
It would be a case of "be careful what you wish for, you might get it".

from an idjit coffeeholic

one thing I know if it comes to having to turn over an ar 15 all they get is the chunk of the gun that is registered. And a new 80% will replace it.

TheDan said:

It's the thingy that increases the rate of fire to assault weapon level. Not to be confused with the thing that goes up.

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Is that the same thing as a barrel shroud?

SidewaysTA said:

I suppose it could happen this way.

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I gotta admit, I got a bit distracted a couple of days ago at the soap opera behind the rabid internet hatred for this guy and the entertaining reports of all his supposed patheticness.

There are 1,000 page forum threads debunking/mocking him. Wow.
http://www.fitmisc.net/forum/showthread.php?66681-**Blahautism-The-Jason-Blaha-Story**

HKShooter65 said:

For us historians.....isn't it "Armalite Rifle"?

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Correct. https://www.armalite.com

Looks at the bottom of my this post under my sig

BillRedding said:

@gdr_11:

Again, I have to say "Don't underestimate the enemy" (The Left, Socialists, Democrats, etc.): Governments have disarmed their own people many times through history, how can you be sure it won't happen here?

In the America "of old" not likely, but America isn't like that anymore -- it's going godless/socialist/progressive, and their numbers are increasing. That means an even worse (more aggressive than we see today) anti-conservative agenda and efforts to outlaw (calling them "hate speech" or maybe "hate thoughts" -- besides the usual charges of being bigots, racists, and such) -- all values conservative America stands for. We've already seen the physical violence The Left (such as Antifa and BLM) has dealt out to conservatives, pretty much beating people up with nothing happening to them in response either from The Right assaulting THEM (no, it'd be self-defense as Antifa is always the attacker) or "the authorities" (LEOs, DAs, Mayors, etc.).

The deck seems stacked in their favor, not ours. And that's just NOW...wait for the next mostly Democrat-controlled government (President and Congress both) and it'll likely get worse/more widespread!

Sure, there're people who say they'd fight when a SWAT team come for their guns, but when any "confiscation" happens -- IF it ever happens -- with armed "authorities" at the door, it's my guess very few WILL fight...perhaps dying as free men (vs slaves) doesn't sound so appealing after all? So the government isn't likely to have a huge uprising they'll have trouble handling, and the many millions of liberals/Democrats in America nowadays won't protest the government's "oppression" of The Right as that's want THEY want done, too. And the American military (MOST of whom would probably follow orders) could take out pockets of "patriot resistance" resistance easily.

Does all that mean "we" should just roll over? No...but the prognosis looks to be poor for "patriots," which will likely at some point be declared "domestic terrorists" to make moving against them easier AND legal -- much like Nazi Germany did against certain groups, yes?

As for it not being possible to get rid of 9 million illegals here (probably 3X more than that though, but STILL no big problem) it's easily done if America were united (and conservative) but it's not, so that won't happen as the country is mostly liberal/Democrat and PRO-illegals. Why are liberals Governors and Mayors (and many Police Chiefs) of certain states clearly and BOLDLY breaking immigration law yet nothing is done about it? Why are those Governors, Mayors and Police Chiefs NOT arrested and jailed, and if need be, Federal troops sent in to deal with the problem?

Or maybe a more "peaceful" solution: Officially kick those states out of the so-called "Union of States" we're SUPPOSED to have? "Excommunicate" them (if you will)? ;-)

As for confiscating 300 millions guns, that'd be a bit more difficult, but still doable...it'd just take time, ESPECIALLY if there is no huge (and organized) resistance. Besides, so many people talk about "burying their guns" somewhere...HTH are they going to be any use against the enemy being BURIED? And buried for how long? Years? How would any resistance get started when no one is armed (because they buried their guns). Yet these same people do NOT talk about actively resisting -- DOING something. How helpful is burying guns vs. actively resisting?

But then maybe that shows what I'm talking about: If push comes to shove, "The Right" will fold...and they -- as well as the 2nd Amendment/RKBA in America -- will go out with a whimper instead of a bang.

Hope I'm wrong, but seeing the widespread laziness, apathy ("don't want to get involved" mentality) and complacency of almost all gun-owners (ESPECIALLY 99% of everyday gun CARRIERS), I can't really believe MOST pro-gun people would NOT roll over and accept the "new reality," sad as that is.

Even NOW some Republicans (and Trump) are caving-in to "the Florida Pressure." When The Left REALLY gets tough in America, how much faster will they fold THEN?

-- BR
(President, El Paso Open Carry)

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We are definitely on the same page.

I saw this coming after WACO. By chance in a small Texas town I was in I was in line getting my breakfast and started a conversation with an old cowboy, turns out he was more than an old cowboy and I invited him to sit with me. As we began to talk and he opened up the talk came around to his career and the old man drops a bomb...I was at Waco! Well he was just not there is was a member of the command group, in fact one of the senior members and on the ground before day 1 as he lived and worked in Texas.

I hear the truth of a man who was there...my fears as to what REALLY happened were validated.

Last night on TV the lawyer for David Koresch opened up. In short: DK was preparing to give up and turn himself in. He asked that he fished writing on something he was working on and it would be a few days. The lawyer met with the FBI and the Command group and relaying the info, the day they attacked the compound. My old cowboy I had breakfast with several years ago had told me the same thing!!!

From my good Friend Daniel.

Shooting Down Gun Control Memes
Posted by Daniel Greenfield 8 Comments

“Guns are uniquely lethal.”

In 2016, a Muslim terrorist with a truck killed 86 people and wounded another 458.

Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, the Tunisian Muslim killer, had brought along a gun, but it proved largely ineffective. The deadliest weapon of the delivery driver was a truck. Mohammed, who was no genius, used it to kill more people than Stephen Paddock would with all his meticulous planning in Vegas.

Do we need truck control?

Deadlier than the truck is the jet plane. Nearly 3,000 people were killed on September 11 by terrorists with a plan and some box cutters. And then there are always the bombs.

The Boston Marathon bomber wounded 264, a suicide bomber at the Manchester Arena last year wounded 250 and the Oklahoma City Bombing (the only non-Islamic terror attack on the list) killed 168 and wounded 680.

Guns are not uniquely lethal. We live in a world filled with extremely lethal objects from chemical compounds to big trucks. We can license and regulate some things. But we can’t regulate everything.


“This is the only country where this happens.”

America is not the only country where rampage killers operate. South Korea’s rampage killer Woo Bum-kon murdered 56 people. Seung-Hui Cho, one of this country's worst rampage killers who murdered 32 people at Virginia Tech, was South Korean.

But the worst rampage killer in South Korea didn’t use a gun. He set a train on fire.

Kim Dae-han, a paralyzed middle aged man, started a subway fire that killed 192 people and wounded 150 others.

Guns aren’t uniquely lethal. Neither is America. Or South Korea. Or anywhere.



“A mass shooting happens in this country every few days.”

The myth conflates drug violence in Chicago, which is nearly constant, with rampage killers like Stephen Paddock or Adam Lanza, who are far rarer, and Islamic terrorists like Omar Mateen.

Mass shootings and rampage killers are not the same thing.

Do we really have a “mass shooting” every few days? Most gun violence in this country is really gang violence. The mass shooting trackers list gang violence incidents in urban areas. And gang violence doesn’t depend on guns. It sharply rose in the UK despite gun control.

And it’s the left that has crippled the laws meant to fight gangs and drug dealers. Obama initiated a drug dealer pardon amnesty even while calling for more gun control. But the only way to control gang violence is by cracking down on gangs, not on guns. The pro-crime left deems such measures a “school-to-prison pipeline” that’s little more than “modern slavery”.

And so the gang violence goes on.

Most gun violence takes place in Democrat territory. And it’s caused by leftist pro-crime policies.

By conflating an Adam Lanza with a gang member shooting up a street corner in Chicago, the media hides what is really going on. Rampage killers are rare. Gang violence is commonplace. By making rampage killers into the face of gun violence, the left gets to blame its own policies on the NRA.


“If only we had gun control.”

Gun control works as well as any prohibitionist policy. It works as long as you follow the law. If you don’t follow the law, then getting the prohibited item is a matter of money and connections.

And it’s those people who shouldn’t have guns that are most likely to be able to get them.

The left will lecture on the failure of drug prohibition, but is sure that gun prohibition would work. Why? Because they usually have some personal experience buying drugs, but little experience buying guns. And so they’re sure that a ban that they would ridicule in any other area will somehow work with guns.

There’s always some country that’s a shining example of how gun control works.

The Europeans, who are progressive, suave and sophisticated, have no doubt figured out gun prohibition, along with socialized medicine. But Muslim terrorists armed with assault rifles and grenades have repeatedly carried out attacks in Paris. French gun control was working wonderfully.

The Bataclan attackers and other members of their cell had no trouble getting their hands on Kalashnikovs either. The Charlie Hebdo attackers used an AK knockoff.

Muslim terrorists were able to repeatedly strike in France despite its gun control laws. And they used the weapons that the media refers to with ominous dread as “assault rifles”.

“We have so many weapons in Paris,” the spokesman for France's police union had complained.

The French authorities seize some 1,200 “assault rifles” every year. Meanwhile in the capital of the European Union, you can get a “military weapon” for $500 in half an hour.

Gun control works as well at keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists as enforcement does at keeping drugs out of the hands of criminals.

Legal firearms make it easier for people to defend themselves and for the authorities to track criminals. Criminalizing firearms just creates a massive black market in which anything goes.

The Charlie Hebdo terrorists brought a rocket-propelled grenade launcher to the party. That's what happens when you let the black market take over. You don't control guns. Instead you feed a black market and lose all control over the sorts of weapons being sold in your country.







After every attack, the clamor for “common sense” gun control begins by political hacks, talk show hosts and celebrities who don’t set foot outside their homes without an armed guard. None of these “common sense folks” seem to know the first thing about guns. And none of them care.

Gun control isn’t a policy. It’s a moral panic. Like prohibition, it’s a xenophobic reaction to a different culture that shares the same country with them. Guns have come to embody a rural conservative culture in the minds of urban leftists the way that alcohol once embodied foreign immigrants to prohibition activists and the way that drugs represented urban decadence to rural America.

It’s why the “common sense solution” talk quickly gives way to broad denunciations of a “national gun culture”, of “white privilege”, of rural folk “clinging to their bibles and guns”, of American militarism and toxic masculinity, and of all the things for which guns are merely a symbol to the leftists who hate them.

A cultural critique is very different than a common sense solution. It isn’t guns that the left wants to ban. It’s people. It was never really about banning guns. It was always about the culture war.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/201...l+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News)

Mods, I have permission to share this!

jrbfishn said:

Never heard of the resistance in WWii? Things would be much the same. LEOs maybe. Especially in larger cities. Military not so much.
Resistance would take time to organize, but it would. The liberals would quickly loose their stomach for fighting when it is at their front door. Look how fast they lost it in Afghanistan. The fighting would look much the same except there would be military defectors on our side.
It would be a case of "be careful what you wish for, you might get it".

from an idjit coffeeholic

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They will do what they can to keep it from escalating into this... bide their time, keep you from tranferring them... they make take a few generations to do it, but they've already started to "reeducation" phase... doing what they can to villify all gun owners as "gun nuts" or "ammosexuals". I don't think they are stupid enough to think they can successfully go door-to-door next week... there are still people they have to brainwash, and others that have to die off because they can't brainwash them.
When it finally does come, they will make it all seem so non-chalant so if there are people who put up a fight when they reach a breaking point, they can be brushed off as mentally unstable (who shouldn't have a gun then, right?).

In short, they know it won't go their way if millions band together and forcibly remove them from office- especially if they go too far that LEO and .mil turn on them. So they will slow their roll... but never stop.

Wildcat Diva said:

I gotta admit, I got a bit distracted a couple of days ago at the soap opera behind the rabid internet hatred for this guy and the entertaining reports of all his supposed patheticness.

There are 1,000 page forum threads debunking/mocking him. Wow.
http://www.fitmisc.net/forum/showthread.php?66681-**Blahautism-The-Jason-Blaha-Story**

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Yeah, I don't know anything about that guy. When it comes to a Swinestein-style ban, I could see something like the scenario he describes happening. They won't come for them directly, most gun owners will give them up after the government puts the screws to them and starts removing the cushy lifestyle many have grown accustomed to.

They can have mine empty an smoking an not before

Wildcat Diva said:

I gotta admit, I got a bit distracted a couple of days ago at the soap opera behind the rabid internet hatred for this guy and the entertaining reports of all his supposed patheticness.

There are 1,000 page forum threads debunking/mocking him. Wow.
http://www.fitmisc.net/forum/showthread.php?66681-**Blahautism-The-Jason-Blaha-Story**

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His theory is more plausible than any I've heard. Taking away the ability to resist (no money, utilities, etc) would result in the loss of the will to fight.

And even then, there would be options.