Rifle type used in school massacre ‘designed to kill multiple enemy combatants at once’

grasshopperglock · Feb 21, 2018

The people that hate you. Really don't care. I've lived my life in jobs that people wanted horrible things done to me. I never wanted anything but the best for them. It didn't stop a thing. Reasoning as you know it is something totally different to them.

benenglish · Feb 22, 2018

sharkey said:
We continue to desensitize and condition our kids by what they watch...

In the past, I have dismissed this viewpoint. I always figured that what you see won't overcome the values instilled into you by competent, moral parents.

My thinking is evolving.

It's unbelievably easy to find online video showing actual deaths carried out in the most gruesome ways imaginable. We know kids consume porn to a degree we don't like to contemplate; the amount of fan correspondence that porn stars get from kids is amazing. I assume the same mechanisms are at work when it comes to videos of killing.

I know if I had seen at 10 years old some of the stuff I've seen in the last couple of years, it would have negatively impacted me. I'm not sure how that negative impact would manifest itself but I feel sure I'd screw up or be screwed up to some extent.

I'm pretty absolutist about free expression but some of it is downright toxic. I'm not ready to place the blame precisely there but now, unlike in the first 50+ years of my life, I'm willing to consider the possibility that this crap is part of the problem.

dapakattack · Feb 22, 2018

I remember listening to Michael Medved a few years ago and one of his in studio guests stated how network tv today is less violent than what was aired in the 80s. I wanted to call in and say that yesterday's tv showed THE ACT of violence (if you consider fake punches, explosions with a guy flying slow-mo through the air, or 100s of rounds fired that never hit anyone, violence. Even as a kid you knew it was more comical than real). Today's network shows tend not to have nearly as much of that, but what they do depict is the RESULT of violence...and do that graphically. 80s shows showed murdered people laying on the floor and usually only their legs (typically only shown in adult dramas...airing at 9pm). Today, we may not see the guy get hit with the hammer, but we surely see the result of being hit with his brains and blood splattered on the floor and wall. Also, everything is an adult drama...airing at 7pm.
We are what we consume.

Wildcat Diva · Feb 22, 2018

What about “Kill Bill” and the like?

karlac said:
Operative word would be GRAPHIC violence.

not like the “A-Team?”

karlac · Feb 22, 2018

benenglish said:
.... <snip> I'm pretty absolutist about free expression but some of it is downright toxic. I'm not ready to place the blame precisely there but now, unlike in the first 50+ years of my life, I'm willing to consider the possibility that this crap is part of the problem.

When it comes to virtual, graphic and violent death of someone, some immature minds are certainly going to be inherently more susceptible to being influenced by that type stimulus. That's why I disagree with those who issue a blanket denial that graphic virtual violence has any effect on an immature mind.

There is no such absolute. IMO it has a desensitizing effect on the actual reality and finality of death that could be at least a part of the problem.

How many children today have a firsthand, personal experience with death? I'd have to say damn few.

For most sheltered children these days death is an abstract concept, only experienced through media, with the understandable result that the finality doesn't quite sink in.

Death was a necessary part of just the act of eating when I was growing up. We had to kill and butcher the chicken for Sunday dinner, the rabbits, the ducks and the feedlot calves. You had to look a creature in the eye and perform an irrevocable act that resulted in its death in order to feed the family.

Even with the loss of a beloved pet, it is the rare parent today who will offer the opportunity to their child to hold the pet for its final breath when having to be put down, preferring to shield them from that finality.

Can't help believe that shielding from reality doesn't play a part in the piss poor job the art of graphic violence plays in imitating, convincingly, reality.

</rant>

karlac · Feb 22, 2018

Wildcat Diva said:
What about “Kill Bill” and the like?

not like the “A-Team?”

Sorry, not familiar with either.
But despite my trying, in this day and age my youngest most likely can't help but be.

Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

This next comment is going to be controversial, but, I offer it as more thought on this subject.
The vast majority of participants to this organization (Texas Gun Talk) are very well trained and safety minded. We have gone through years of military and/or range time and/or hunting time. If we could look at the control of AR type firearms similar to the way CMP looks at surplus we may be able to solve the issue of control of purchase. What if anyone who wanted to purchase an AR style rifle had to have completed certain classes, range qualifications, background checks and be members of an appropriate organization/club or military service prior to purchase? It wouldn't make any difference to most of those on this board since we basically qualify as is. We are trying to keep those out that are potentially dangerous and give us a bad name. Any feedback, and I'm sure there will be some, is appreciated.

jrbfishn · Feb 22, 2018

I wish I had more time right now. SMDH

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DwnRange · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
The vast majority of participants to this organization (Texas Gun Talk) are very well trained and safety minded. We have gone through years of military and/or range time and/or hunting time. If we could look at the control of AR type firearms similar to the way CMP looks at surplus we may be able to solve the issue of control of purchase. What if anyone who wanted to purchase an AR style rifle had to have completed certain classes, range qualifications, background checks and be members of an appropriate organization/club or military service prior to purchase? It wouldn't make any difference to most of those on this board since we basically qualify as is. We are trying to keep those out that are potentially dangerous and give us a bad name. Any feedback, and I'm sure there will be some, is appreciated.

sooo, we should create "more" class distinction between folks......, that don't sound like much of a plan to me, only an opportunity for more derision..........

There's also the fact that the 2nd Amendment applies to ALL citizens, not just to those who know and understand firearms - your idea/suggestion is a fail, IMHO.

jrbfishn · Feb 22, 2018

And the next step is to regulate who can teach you how to shoot.
Until no one qualifies to do so.

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burnt_circuits · Feb 22, 2018

That's the thing that I just don't understand about these conversations. Why can't they be productive? Why does someone have to try and end it with "if we let them make one rule, there goes the neighborhood..." I refuse to give in to this type of thinking. That type of "all or nothing" thinking doesn't work for any other part of our lives, not with religion, kids, spouse, relatives. All or nothing thinking really restricts your life and your choices. Life is not black and white, neither are these issues.

Things I KNOW to be true:

1) I know that MOST if not all people on this forum think there are people in this country that should not have weapons. (You all know someone out there that you actually are legitimately scared that they own a weapon, OR you know someone that doesn't have weapons and in your opinion probably shouldn't.)

2) I know there are ways that exist, somewhere in the universe, we can use to keep people who should not have firearms from getting them.

3) I know there are smart people on this forum

4) This forum could come up with a solution or multiple solutions, to help our young boys find a purpose in their life greater than just taking the lives of other they know.

5) It is hard to have an honest conversation.

TheMailMan · Feb 22, 2018

jrbfishn said:
And the next step is to regulate who can teach you how to shoot.
Until no one qualifies to do so.

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Correct. That idea is not just the camel's nose but the whole damn camel. Once we give them that they will just start making it harder and harder to qualify.

You have to attend a 7 day class at a location to be determined, at a date to be determined, the cost of the class will be between $7512.14 and $14,759.89, exact change in cash required, no bills larger than a $20, a minimum of 37 $10 bills and a minimum of 32 $5 bills, all bills must be date from 1992-1997. You'll have 24 hours advance notice as to date and location, cost of the class will be disclosed at the class location. Failure to appear will result in the cancellation of your firearms ownership privileges.

TheMailMan · Feb 22, 2018

burnt_circuits said:
That's the thing that I just don't understand about these conversations. Why can't they be productive? Why does someone have to try and end it with "if we let them make one rule, there goes the neighborhood..." I refuse to give in to this type of thinking. That type of "all or nothing" thinking doesn't work for any other part of our lives, not with religion, kids, spouse, relatives. All or nothing thinking really restricts your life and your choices. Life is not black and white, neither are these issues.

Things I KNOW to be true:

1) I know that MOST if not all people on this forum think there are people in this country that should not have weapons. (You all know someone out there that you actually are legitimately scared that they own a weapon, OR you know someone that doesn't have weapons and in your opinion probably shouldn't.)

2) I know there are ways that exist, somewhere in the universe, we can use to keep people who should not have firearms from getting them.

3) I know there are smart people on this forum

4) This forum could come up with a solution or multiple solutions, to help our young boys find a purpose in their life greater than just taking the lives of other they know.

5) It is hard to have an honest conversation.

The gun owners let them have the 1934 NFA, 1968 and 1984 laws, all in the name of preventing crime. How many more Rights are you willing to give them? The Left will not stop till private ownership of all firearms is made illegal.

AustinN4 · Feb 22, 2018

TheMailMan said:
The gun owners let them have the 1934 NFA, 1968 and 1984 laws, all in the name of preventing crime.

And how much crime did they stop?

ZX9RCAM · Feb 22, 2018

burnt_circuits said:
That's the thing that I just don't understand about these conversations. Why can't they be productive? Why does someone have to try and end it with "if we let them make one rule, there goes the neighborhood..." I refuse to give in to this type of thinking. That type of "all or nothing" thinking doesn't work for any other part of our lives, not with religion, kids, spouse, relatives. All or nothing thinking really restricts your life and your choices. Life is not black and white, neither are these issues.

Things I KNOW to be true:

1) I know that MOST if not all people on this forum think there are people in this country that should not have weapons. (You all know someone out there that you actually are legitimately scared that they own a weapon, OR you know someone that doesn't have weapons and in your opinion probably shouldn't.)

2) I know there are ways that exist, somewhere in the universe, we can use to keep people who should not have firearms from getting them.

3) I know there are smart people on this forum

4) This forum could come up with a solution or multiple solutions, to help our young boys find a purpose in their life greater than just taking the lives of other they know.

5) It is hard to have an honest conversation.

I'm pretty sure felons, and gang bangers aren't legally allowed to own guns.
How are you going to stop them?

Shady · Feb 22, 2018

The simple reason is in this country you are supposed to be Innocent till proven guilty so making the good guy jump though hoops will not change the bad guy from calling in favors from the local black arms dealer and say Hey hook me up with an AR.

Inspector43 said:
This next comment is going to be controversial, but, I offer it as more thought on this subject.
The vast majority of participants to this organization (Texas Gun Talk) are very well trained and safety minded. We have gone through years of military and/or range time and/or hunting time. If we could look at the control of AR type firearms similar to the way CMP looks at surplus we may be able to solve the issue of control of purchase. What if anyone who wanted to purchase an AR style rifle had to have completed certain classes, range qualifications, background checks and be members of an appropriate organization/club or military service prior to purchase? It wouldn't make any difference to most of those on this board since we basically qualify as is. We are trying to keep those out that are potentially dangerous and give us a bad name. Any feedback, and I'm sure there will be some, is appreciated.

karlac · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
This next comment is going to be controversial, but, I offer it as more thought on this subject.
The vast majority of participants to this organization (Texas Gun Talk) are very well trained and safety minded. We have gone through years of military and/or range time and/or hunting time. If we could look at the control of AR type firearms similar to the way CMP looks at surplus we may be able to solve the issue of control of purchase. What if anyone who wanted to purchase an AR style rifle had to have completed certain classes, range qualifications, background checks and be members of an appropriate organization/club or military service prior to purchase? It wouldn't make any difference to most of those on this board since we basically qualify as is. We are trying to keep those out that are potentially dangerous and give us a bad name. Any feedback, and I'm sure there will be some, is appreciated.

Not taking you to task because you're obviously interested in a solution, but a quick question since the concept of a choke point on ammo has been mentioned by the anti-gun crowd

In your scenario above, would only those qualified be allowed to buy specific ammunition for that weapon?

Just one of the thorny indicators of the slippery slope you embark upon when you start infringing on a right.

Camel's nose under the tent, and all that.

karlac · Feb 22, 2018

burnt_circuits said:
That's the thing that I just don't understand about these conversations. Why can't they be productive?

Very simple and succinct answer:

The anti-gun crowd consider nothing but an eventual all out ban on guns "productive".

TheMailMan · Feb 22, 2018

AustinN4 said:
And how much crime did they stop?

Not one bit.

DwnRange · Feb 22, 2018

burnt_circuits said:
Things I KNOW to be true:

Here's what "I" know - ya cannot have an intelligent anything with folks espousing "burn her" during the latest conversation on the FL shooting here: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...n_hall_if_i_didnt_have_a_security_detail.html

Hate to admit it, but some folks simply need to be shot in the butt with a dead rabbit in order to improve their attitudes. (using a modified potato gun, the side benefit is peta supporters will simply die from the horror)

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