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  • burnt_circuits

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    Yeah there's a way to make a point, and making a scene at public forum by screaming burn her only makes the point that you're out of control. Again though, we can't let crazy people rule the roost. We still have to have a discussion. Kick her out, apologize to the guest and continue the talk.

    However, the boys ARE still shooting up the house.
     

    Vaquero

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    My representatives have heard from me.
    Probably heard from a lot of other folks too.
    With differing opinions.
     

    Vaquero

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    Because the house is a gun free zone.
    Yeah there's a way to make a point, and making a scene at public forum by screaming burn her only makes the point that you're out of control. Again though, we can't let crazy people rule the roost. We still have to have a discussion. Kick her out, apologize to the guest and continue the talk.

    However, the boys ARE still shooting up the house.
     

    Shady

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    Its kind of like the cries for we demand action NOW and all the sudden after Trump proposed arming teachers its well no we Demand Action now as long as its what we want.
     

    burnt_circuits

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    Because the house is a gun free zone.
    IMO this is a short sighted view and isn't in the public's best interest.

    I'm not advocating for or against gun free zones.

    I'm just saying that if you put yourself in the shoes of a homicidal teen would you see an armed teacher as a reason to change your mind? I guess I don't see a change in gun free zones as the change that ends school shootings. It may be one of many, but I really don't see it as the end all.

    If you could get people to agree to abolish gun free zones what would be the next change you would make to help stop these attacks?
     

    benenglish

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    When it comes to virtual, graphic and violent death of someone, some immature minds are certainly going to be inherently more susceptible to being influenced by that type stimulus. That's why I disagree with those who issue a blanket denial that graphic virtual violence has any effect on an immature mind.
    My post wasn't referencing "virtual" violence. I'm talking about the easy availability of videos of real murders made, for example, by narcos to intimidate rivals. Seeing a live boy held down, his flesh cut off his chest, and people reaching in and ripping out organs all while the victim screams in pain...kids can see this stuff at the click of a button.

    If I had seen that stuff when I was a kid, I would have been changed and not for the better.
     

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    I think the point is that "gun free zone" is like painting a huge target on the place. Ever wonder why I was going to say all but I am not sure so I will say MOST Mass shootings happen in a gun free zone ?

    Could it be the shooter wants the least resistance and more sheep to slaughter ?


    IMO this is a short sighted view and isn't in the public's best interest.

    I'm not advocating for or against gun free zones.

    I'm just saying that if you put yourself in the shoes of a homicidal teen would you see an armed teacher as a reason to change your mind? I guess I don't see a change in gun free zones as the change that ends school shootings. It may be one of many, but I really don't see it as the end all.

    If you could get people to agree to abolish gun free zones what would be the next change you would make to help stop these attacks?
     

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    I think the point is that "gun free zone" is like painting a huge target on the place. Ever wonder why I was going to say all but I am not sure so I will say MOST Mass shootings happen in a gun free zone ?

    Could it be the shooter wants the least resistance and more sheep to slaughter ?

    This is very true. And I believe that.

    The problem is we are all going to be banging our heads against the wall right now. Pro gun wants no rights to be taken away and supports their argument. Anti gun wants all guns taken away and refuses to educate themselves of firearms.

    AR’s are scary looking and seen as a military grade weapon designed for killing. When in all actuality a person that is trained and wanted to kill as many as possible would more than likely choose a different weapon. A lot of hunters believe that the round is to small to be an ethical rifle to hunt deer with.

    Just my 2 cents. I just posted my first comment on here yesterday but been reading here for a few months.


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    burnt_circuits

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    well im pretty sure these kids picked the schools cause they went there...and whether they are gun free or not they're going to go back to their own school...

    So are you saying if there was a gun free school down there road they would choose to shoot up that one instead of the one they went to because there's has an armed security guard? Maybe I am making a wrong generalization, but I thought that most all of these school shooters have an emotional connection to the place they are shooting.
     

    burnt_circuits

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    Also some points to consider:

    The school shooters have the ability to scout the school for years ahead of time.

    The kids will all know what teachers are armed.

    The kids all know the teachers schedules.

    And last, but certainly not least, the shooters have no intention of surviving anyway.

    The Florida shooter stopped because he chose to stop. He didn't have a plan for after, because he didn't expect to live.

    I'm not saying we should or shouldn't arm teachers, but I am saying let's not pretend it will deter a school attacker or that its the final solution to this issue.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    It may not deter a shooter, but at least it gives people at the school a fighting chance.
    They currently have no chance.
     

    jrbfishn

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    Sorry guys, it was only food for thought. I'll back out and leave it to the experts.
    Instead of backing out, stick around. Stay in the conversation. Understand where we are coming from.
    We have given up gun rights or had them taken for over 100 years. Along with the laws on the books even 150 years ago, there were people doing essentially the same crimes as today. What will one more law do besides further restrict what honest people can do or have for pleasure or self defense? I'm sorry, but at 19, he knew what e was doing and choose poorly. He would just have used a bomb or sword instead.

    Same result.

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    Inspector43

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    Instead of backing out, stick around. Stay in the conversation. Understand where we are coming from.
    We have given up gun rights or had them taken for over 100 years. Along with the laws on the books even 150 years ago, there were people doing essentially the same crimes as today. What will one more law do besides further restrict what honest people can do or have for pleasure or self defense? I'm sorry, but at 19, he knew what e was doing and choose poorly. He would just have used a bomb or sword instead.

    Same result.

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    I understand about giving our rights away, but perhaps if we worked together we could make it look like the responsible owners a providing the untrained and unproven a path to ownership. Every one of us that has a CHL had to qualify. Every one of us that were in the military had to qualify. What if we put the AR type rifle into a category of weapon that requires similar qualifications? We can't do it on this thread, but, we can build a profile and a support base. In my own mind, I think the participants of this Gun Forum have what it takes to get something started.
     

    TheMailMan

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    I understand about giving our rights away, but perhaps if we worked together we could make it look like the responsible owners a providing the untrained and unproven a path to ownership. Every one of us that has a CHL had to qualify. Every one of us that were in the military had to qualify. What if we put the AR type rifle into a category of weapon that requires similar qualifications? We can't do it on this thread, but, we can build a profile and a support base. In my own mind, I think the participants of this Gun Forum have what it takes to get something started.

    First it would be AR type rifles, then handguns, then any semi-automatic, then all guns. The Government would then raise prices to the point where most people couldn't afford the "training", also the Government would make it as inconvenient as possible to attend the training.

    The Second Amendment makes no mention of needing training to bear arms. Governments instituted such nonsense to keep freed Blacks from having firearms. In fact 22% of the states don't require a Government permission slip to bear arms. They are no more less safe than say Chicago, or Baltimore.

    Could you also define what you mean by "AR type rifle"?

    Here's a list, just say yes or no.

    1. AR-15
    2. AR-10
    3. Ruger Mini-14
    4. SKS
    5. AK
    6. Remington 740/7400
    7. M1A
    8. Garand
    9. Ruger 10/22
    10. Thompson
    11. Hi-Point 995
    12. Browning BAR MK III
    13. Keltec Sub 2000
    14. HK 91/93
    15. Remington 597


    I'll end the list at 15 items.
     

    Lunyfringe

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    I understand about giving our rights away, but perhaps if we worked together we could make it look like the responsible owners a providing the untrained and unproven a path to ownership. Every one of us that has a CHL had to qualify. Every one of us that were in the military had to qualify. What if we put the AR type rifle into a category of weapon that requires similar qualifications? We can't do it on this thread, but, we can build a profile and a support base. In my own mind, I think the participants of this Gun Forum have what it takes to get something started.
    Except the will..

    #1 We'd have to accept the premise that the rifle and it's features are the problem (which I believe is false)
    #2 By agreeing to #1 even if we believe it to be false, we're compromising our principles AND giving the anti's a "camel's nose under the tent".
    #3 I don't trust them- they will never stop, it's one increment at a time and the end game is a political system so good it has to be forced upon you... they can't exert that kind of force on an armed populace.
     

    Inspector43

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    First it would be AR type rifles, then handguns, then any semi-automatic, then all guns. The Government would then raise prices to the point where most people couldn't afford the "training", also the Government would make it as inconvenient as possible to attend the training.

    The Second Amendment makes no mention of needing training to bear arms. Governments instituted such nonsense to keep freed Blacks from having firearms. In fact 22% of the states don't require a Government permission slip to bear arms. They are no more less safe than say Chicago, or Baltimore.

    Could you also define what you mean by "AR type rifle"?

    Here's a list, just say yes or no.

    1. AR-15
    2. AR-10
    3. Ruger Mini-14
    4. SKS
    5. AK
    6. Remington 740/7400
    7. M1A
    8. Garand
    9. Ruger 10/22
    10. Thompson
    11. Hi-Point 995
    12. Browning BAR MK III
    13. Keltec Sub 2000
    14. HK 91/93
    15. Remington 597


    I'll end the list at 15 items.
    I can't see someone trying to sneak an M1A into a school. But, if we accept your response then we may as will just back up and let our highly trained, honest and effective representatives handle it. If we make no attempt to make a difference, someone should preserve all the comments so our grandchildren don't have to repeat the discovery process.
     

    TheMailMan

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    I can't see someone trying to sneak an M1A into a school. But, if we accept your response then we may as will just back up and let our highly trained, honest and effective representatives handle it. If we make no attempt to make a difference, someone should preserve all the comments so our grandchildren don't have to repeat the discovery process.

    You're dodging the question, that's a Liberal Lefty move. Now be a good boy and go back and answer the question.
     
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