Rifle type used in school massacre ‘designed to kill multiple enemy combatants at once’

45tex · Feb 22, 2018

So the mistake of some NCO in '64 means the AR of today is more deadly than the M-2 select fire that was around in '64?

tonyt79 · Feb 22, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Why are you quoting me? You should be quoting the person that said it.

Very true, I am out and not very good signal. Couldn’t find the original post. My apologies but I am sure you know what I mean.

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TheMailMan · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
You asked me to define AR. Well my definition is really different than most and surely from yours. I was there when the first AR 15's were demonstrated to our unit. The military expert that was training us said this is an AR 15. The AR stands for Automatic Rifle. Then the demonstration took place. Since then there have been many definitions and stories told about the AR. Again, you won't believe me, but, I was there in 1964.

Nice story. Ya still haven't defined what you think an "AR type rifle is". Unless you're saying it's an "automatic rifle", in which case your disscussion is moot because there hasn't been any recent killing using them.

MTA · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
You asked me to define AR. Well my definition is really different than most and surely from yours. I was there when the first AR 15's were demonstrated to our unit. The military expert that was training us said this is an AR 15. The AR stands for Automatic Rifle. Then the demonstration took place. Since then there have been many definitions and stories told about the AR. Again, you won't believe me, but, I was there in 1964.

That military expert was a retard. AR = Armalite Rifle

easy rider · Feb 22, 2018

People that shout the loudest about banning anything are those that know it won't effect them.

People who are bound to harm others will find a way to do so no matter what you ban or make harder to get. There are no foolproof ways to keep people safe from those that want to do harm.

When was the last time you heard anyone say something should be banned or make it harder to obtain because it was used to kill others that didn't involve guns?

Southpaw · Feb 22, 2018

MTA89 said:
That military expert was a retard. AR = Armalite Rifle

Your avatar is freaking me out!!!

AustinN4 · Feb 22, 2018

Southpaw said:
Your avatar is freaking me out!!!

Not in a warm and fuzzy way, I hope.

Southpaw · Feb 22, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Not is a warm and fuzzy way, i hope.

Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

45tex said:
So the mistake of some NCO in '64 means the AR of today is more deadly than the M-2 select fire that was around in '64?

That 1964 AR 15 was also select fire. And, I should have told the NCO that was wrong.

AustinN4 · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
That 1964 AR 15 was also select fire. And, I should have told the NCO that was wrong.

That would have been a M16, not an AR15. Hope you answer my questions from post #178.

Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Where exactly were you and what kind of unit were you in when the above took place? This was in 1964 you say?

I was in the USAF on a Navy Ammo Depot serving at a radio and radar site. I wasn't in combat. The AR 15 was being introduced to all USAF personnel. And, what I said was what I was told. I didn't say it was the only way to describe and AR -15. And, I didn't start this conversation to get nothing but insults. I thought I might get some discussion on how veterans and other gun owners might contribute to a solution. I guess I was very wrong on that.

easy rider · Feb 22, 2018

What solution is there to keep people from killing people? Or are you blaming the instrument?

AustinN4 · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
I thought I might get some discussion on how veterans and other gun owners might contribute to a solution. I guess I was very wrong on that.

As an old guy that has been around a considerable amount of the world, I understand that the only person that is responsible for my safety is me.

AustinN4 · Feb 22, 2018

easy rider said:
What solution is there to keep people from killing people? Or are you blaming the instrument?

Seems to me that out of the first 4 people on earth, 1 was a murderer, and no gun was used. People are the problem and always have been.

jrbfishn · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
I was in the USAF on a Navy Ammo Depot serving at a radio and radar site. I wasn't in combat. The AR 15 was being introduced to all USAF personnel. And, what I said was what I was told. I didn't say it was the only way to describe and AR -15. And, I didn't start this conversation to get nothing but insults. I thought I might get some discussion on how veterans and other gun owners might contribute to a solution. I guess I was very wrong on that.

People have been trying to figure a way to keep people from killing other people for the last 30,000 years or so. The only different today is the means they use.

I can only think of one way that is sure to work.
Kill everyone. Problem solved.

Supposedly at one time there was only 4 people on this planet. One of them committed murder.

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Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

easy rider said:
What solution is there to keep people from killing people? Or are you blaming the instrument?

I am not blaming the instrument. And, as long as people think there is no solution, there will be no solution.

ZX9RCAM · Feb 22, 2018

tonyt79 said:
Every gun basically made to kill. A lot of people believe the m4 or m16 are more designed to injure than kill. The thought is injure an enemy takes someone else out of the fight to help them.

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Point I was trying to make is that the original ARs were pretty much designed for military service, were they not?

Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

AustinN4 said:
That would have been a M16, not an AR15. Hope you answer my questions from post #178.

Since you don't trust me I will let someone else tell you that the AR 15 entered military service prior to the M16.

easy rider · Feb 22, 2018

Inspector43 said:
I am not blaming the instrument. And, as long as people think there is no solution, there will be no solution.

How long has murder been outlawed? Has making it illegal actually stopped some from committing it? As long as people only focus on the means, there will be no solution to the crime.

Inspector43 · Feb 22, 2018

easy rider said:
How long has murder been outlawed? Has making it illegal actually stopped some from committing it? As long as people only focus on the means, there will be no solution to the crime.

Now we are getting to my point. The focus must be very comprehensive and I think that a forum such as this could come up with some very good recommendations.

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