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  • Byrd666

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    Okay, so not to include training of ex leo or military types, say we take the standing salary/pay of existing, if there is any, or what would be allotted for it, security or S.O. / P.D. personnel and divide it by 3. That would give you two unemployed vets. and a retired leo looking for something else to do. The LEO knows the civilian laws and protocols and would be lead of shift, and the vets would be, well, soldiers, for lack of better. For something like this, even without pay and as gimped up as I am, I would willingly pay out of pocket for whatever training would be necessary. If I can say that, I have no doubt whatsoever there would be thousands of others that would do the same.
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    BigBoss0311

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    Mine, yours, or others?

    Mine, lol. Wouldn't be very sporting if I could delete others posts at will. I just decided against adding a thought and instead of being able to delete, I only have the option to edit and I have to leave a minimum amount of characters. It breaks up the flow of the thread.
     

    Davetex

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    Okay, so not to include training of ex leo or military types, say we take the standing salary/pay of existing, if there is any, or what would be allotted for it, security or S.O. / P.D. personnel and divide it by 3. That would give you two unemployed vets. and a retired leo looking for something else to do. The LEO knows the civilian laws and protocols and would be lead of shift, and the vets would be, well, soldiers, for lack of better. For something like this, even without pay and as gimped up as I am, I would willingly pay out of pocket for whatever training would be necessary. If I can say that, I have no doubt whatsoever there would be thousands of others that would do the same.

    I absolutely agree and would also be willing to pay out of pocket for training. My work schedule provides me with several days off every week and I wouldn't mind donating time to a local school.
     

    roberthleeii

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    I am a teacher in a large school in NE Houston. I don't think you will ever be able to harden these campuses with out arming staff. First of all I want to get a stupid objection out of the way. When I am not at work teaching I have many jobs and things to do, like being a father, husband, and handyman. Carrying a gun has never gotten in the way of those jobs and I would like to argue I am a better father/husband because I carry. Everyone who carries should call BS on this every time it is said. So I am tired of this argument that it is not teachers jobs or that they don't need one more thing to worry about or what ever. You would also only take volunteers so you are only talking about people who are willing to take on extra responsibility.

    My school has thousands of students and hundreds of staff members, even with a district police force we only have two police men on campus at any given time. A casual observer would easily observe that these two are no where near enough to secure the many acres of our campus. When I walk around with security in mind I see no way to secure the campus with our placing armed individuals in each area. That would probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for most schools and probably over a million dollars at larger schools each year. That is having someone cover the major entrance/exit points and all different areas, sections and floors of the buildings. I am just assuming we pay our officers 50-80 a year, train them, arm them, equip them, supervisors for them, etc... That is just one argument for simply arming the staff if they volunteer. Not only is it going to be cheaper, the staff are already dispersed around the buildings and familiar with the flow of the school day. The staff spots problems and inconsistencies before any others on campus. In my head I see the armed staff as extra protection while trying to move out of an area to an exit or a more secure area and as a last option when someone has gotten in to your "secured" area" (basically our current procedures are to hide in our locked rooms). Just think of that coach that shielded the students in this last shooting. He would have been a great person to be armed. He was a hero who could only stand in front of bullets, imagine how much less death and heart ach could have occurred if the coach was allowed the tools to stop the shooter and save all the people who he killed afterward. Did he kill 5 people afterward? 10? 12?

    I don't think that this should be the only thing done to stop these tragedies. There are many other things that can help. I would love retired or off duty military and law enforcement officers on campus. I think they could also serve as mentors and role models for our youth.

    I just attempted to make a logical argument for allowing teachers to carry to protect our youth so I think I should also make an emotional one: As a parent with children in schools I would feel more comfortable with armed staff at their schools...
     

    karlac

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    I just attempted to make a logical argument for allowing teachers to carry to protect our youth so I think I should also make an emotional one: As a parent with children in schools I would feel more comfortable with armed staff at their schools...

    And, IMO you did a fine job of both, backed by an in-the-trenches perspective.
    Mind if it's shared with attribution, for rebuttal to those who only use an emotional solution as argument?
     

    roberthleeii

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    I would like to add one more thing. By arming the teachers you up your numbers of armed personnel. so if 4 armed people wait outside in the car you still have many other teachers on campus willing to protect their children.

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    I would like to add one more thing. By arming the teachers you up your numbers of armed personnel. so if 4 armed people wait outside in the car you still have many other teachers on campus willing to protect their children.

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    That was my point. If there were only a handful of teachers or staff in that school that were armed while the shooting was taking place, that's a handful more armed people then there was, and whose to say that he wouldn't have been taken out before he killed 17?
     

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    The shooting probably never would have happened if there were armed teachers and he knew it. He was CS enough when the sirens arrived he dropped the rifle and tried to walk out with the rest of the students. Armed teachers could have made a big difference, ever see a mother hen protecting her chicks.
     

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    But the poor children might be traumatized by having to watch a teacher defend them from a killer. The alternative is way better.

    Or they may accidentally see a side arm and even the sight of a pop tart chewed out to look like a gun makes them cringe oh wait that is the adults.
     

    easy rider

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    But the poor children might be traumatized by having to watch a teacher defend them from a killer. The alternative is way better.

    Or they may accidentally see a side arm and even the sight of a pop tart chewed out to look like a gun makes them cringe oh wait that is the adults.
    They'll actually just faint, because everyone knows that children can't handle the fact that people, other than killers, may have a gun to protect themselves and others.
     

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    I asked my son( sophmore in school) if he had any male teachers. He responded saying two. I asked if they were exmilitary and he replied "yes". Well, there you have two that have had some training. Not meaning women aren't trained, or that others aren't. Most schools have an ROTC class with more veteran teachers. Just a thought.
     

    iGun_TX

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    There was a video leaked from a student in a classroom when the turd came in and started shooting.

    Only lasted a few seconds but I can say this much, someone in the room armed would have at least had a fighting chance.

    Don't get me wrong, with a handgun the odds would have been against them but better than no fighting chance at all.

    Ironically, it was a story told by gun control advocate Collin Goddard that made me such an adamant supporter of campus (college) carry rights. He was a surviving victim at VA Tech.

    I am honestly not sure what the best course of action is with these shootings at public schools K-12 though.

    And I don't see arming the staff catching on anytime soon either.

    At least not on a wide scale anyway.
     

    candcallen

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    There was a video leaked from a student in a classroom when the turd came in and started shooting.

    Only lasted a few seconds but I can say this much, someone in the room armed would have at least had a fighting chance.

    Don't get me wrong, with a handgun the odds would have been against them but better than no fighting chance at all.

    Ironically, it was a story told by gun control advocate Collin Goddard that made me such an adamant supporter of campus (college) carry rights. He was a surviving victim at VA Tech.

    I am honestly not sure what the best course of action is with these shootings at public schools K-12 though.

    And I don't see arming the staff catching on anytime soon either.

    At least not on a wide scale anyway.
    I'm damn sure how stop it but first Bill Clinton should to explain why advertising gun free school zones seemed like a good idea.

    Next, and any retard should have figured this out, get rid of gun free unarmed victim free fire zones. These frakin cowards have never shot up a police station or drove a truck thru a gun show.

    QUIT PHUKING ADVERTISING SOFT TARGETS. PUT ARMED GUARDS AT THE DOOR. I bet none of these cowards will knowingly go to shoot up an armed campus.

    In fact the only shooting at a campus with an armed, non coward, police officer lasted just a couple rounds. The resource officer shot him a few seconds after he started. IIRC he thought the cop was far away and not right on the other side of the door.

    Oh the police officer was armed with a handgun. Important for the Lawrence O'Donnell of the world who think handguns cant stop EBR armed shooters and the Dianne Feinstein of the world who think getting shot with a hand gun is like a needle going thru you.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...n-stopping-school-shooters-because-t-n2453904

    I hope these pukes remember how un-dangerous handguns are when they go back to trying to ban them. Remember those days Dianne? You know when you were outed as a hypocrite of the first order cor trying to ban guns while keeping your CCW up to date? You know the one of a handful in the bay area cause no one could get one but royalty. You 2 faced Cee yoU Next Tuesday
     
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