Trump: Raise age to 21

satx78247 · Feb 24, 2018

HKShooter65 said:
Off topic maybe but that factoid is freaking insane if true!!!!

HKShooter65,

YEP. With consent of the parents, you may lawfully marry at age 14 in Texas.
(It's a 19th Century law that's never been changed.)
Fyi, my g-g-grandmother was married on her 15th birthday in 1864, shortly after she completed her public school education.
(My g-grandfather was born almost 2 months after she turned 16. - She birthed 11 boys & 9 girls. Only 12 of her children attained the age of 12YO.)
She & my g-g-grandfather were married for over 61 years until she passed away.

Note: in early TX, for every child who "--- lived to the age of a year & a day", the parents were gifted with 80 acres of land.= That was the major reason that TX families were then so large.
My mother always said that: "Frontier Texas was heaven for men & dogs but hell for women & horses."
(It was far from unusual for a man to outlive 4-6 wives, many of whom died in childbirth.)

yours, satx

jrbfishn · Feb 24, 2018

I have known several that married at 14 or 15 with parental consent. Allowed in other states as well.
Look back through the history of the US. Up until the late 1800s early 1900s, depending on the part of the country you lived in, it was common for girls to marry between 12 and 15. By 18, you best options in life were seamstress, laundress or whore house. If you were somewhat educated they might get a job teaching.

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satx78247 · Feb 24, 2018

jrbfishn said:
I have known several that married at 14 or 15 with parental consent. Allowed in other states as well.
Look back through the history of the US. Up until the late 1800s early 1900s, depending on the part of the country you lived in, it was common for girls to marry between 12 and 15. By 18, you best options in life were seamstress, laundress or whore house. If you were somewhat educated they might get a job teaching.

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To All,

Until WWI, a girl could teach any grade that she had completed, less one term.
(In TX very few public school teachers were male until about 1910.)
Note: After the last Comanche raid into Franklin County, there was NO school for about 4 years in the early 1870s. - When the school was reopened, there was only 5 grades, as the only available teacher was a 6th grade graduate, who had married at 13YO.
(Mrs. Molly G Paige Walker was allowed to bring her infant to school after she had her first child, as there was no other woman available, who had a better education.)
In 1881, Mrs. Walker was sent (at county expense) to "the next county over to complete her education". = She "kept school" for over 25 years thereafter.

yours, satx

benenglish · Feb 25, 2018

Off Topic Warning

HKShooter65 said:
Off topic maybe but that factoid is freaking insane if true!!!!

I didn't mean to derail the thread but just to be clear I find the notion of marrying at 14 with parental consent far less "freaking insane" than being able to marry a 12-year-old if you can get a judge to agree.

I don't mean to cast aspersions on any particular population but I spent some time poking around doing some legal things all over rural east Texas a couple of decades ago. I was surprised at the number of 25-40 year old men I ran across with 18 year old wives to whom they'd been married for, shall we say, quite a while.

As far as I know, the only cases these days where under-14s get married with the permission of a judge is when you have some 12-year-old who gets knocked up by a high-schooler and both sets of parents get together and agree that they'll support the marriage until the two of them grow up. In the meantime, the marriage enables the boy to evade a conviction for aggravated sexual assault; it is, as far as I can tell, a defense to prosecution if the child you're assaulting is your wife. Also (and I think this is the big motivator at work) the parents who were just fine with the relationship before the pregnancy manage to dodge problems with CPS and possible criminal charges. There are plenty of 16 year old boys sleeping in the beds of 13 year old girls in the homes of and with the full knowledge of the girls parents. When she gets pregnant, a quick marriage is a way for everybody to duck out of being punished for their bad parenting, bad judgement, and general lack of brains and morals.

But things have changed over the last few decades. It's tough to find a judge who'll sign off on that crap these days.

AustinN4 · Feb 25, 2018

sdismukes said:
......because they were eccentric, difficult to deal with, or old and rich and stingy........

Hey, watch it, I resemble those remarks.

Any proposal that avoids due process in front of a truly impartial judge, with rebuttal opinions being allowed is on its face going to be ripe for abuse.

^^^This, in spades!

avvidclif · Feb 25, 2018

HKShooter65 said:
Off topic maybe but that factoid is freaking insane if true!!!!

It's called "get rid of that teenager before she drives you insane"

satx78247 · Feb 25, 2018

avvidclif,

Pardon me for quoting The Apostle Paul from The Good Book, "It is better to marry than to burn."
ImVho, sometimes it is better to "marry off" a teenaged girl, who is really in love with a boy, than it is for them to "slip around & sleep together" outside of marriage.

yours, satx

SQLGeek · Feb 25, 2018

The mealy mouthed GOP is going to pass more gun control under Trump than Obama could have dreamed of. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

satx78247 · Feb 25, 2018

SQLGeek,

Frankly, I believe that "after all is said & done" that MUCH will be said & NOTHING more on "gun control laws" will be done. - At least that is my HOPE.

yours, satx

benenglish · Feb 25, 2018

satx78247 said:
Frankly, I believe...

My prayers that you're prescient.

satx78247 · Feb 25, 2018

benenglish,

Once upon a time I worked (for a while) for a congressman & I generally know how Capitol Hill works. = There are at least a thousand ways to stall, refer to 10 different committees & thereafter never vote upon anything until the press gets bored & moves on to some other "crisis". ====> LOTS of talk, talk, talk & more talk but nothing more than that.

yours, satx

SQLGeek · Feb 25, 2018

satx78247 said:
SQLGeek,

Frankly, I believe that "after all is said & done" that MUCH will be said & NOTHING more on "gun control laws" will be done. - At least that is my HOPE.

yours, satx

I very much hope that is the case.

cherok2e · Feb 28, 2018

toddnjoyce said:
Only applies to people who follow the law. Will not reduce access or prevent crime.

The thing is the one who serves is not the one who will be affected as most states exempt ex-military from age laws.

cherok2e · Feb 28, 2018

satx78247 said:
benenglish,

Once upon a time I worked (for a while) for a congressman & I generally know how Capitol Hill works. = There are at least a thousand ways to stall, refer to 10 different committees & thereafter never vote upon anything until the press gets bored & moves on to some other "crisis". ====> LOTS of talk, talk, talk & more talk but nothing more than that.

yours, satx

Kick the can down the road. With the computer and Google there is no reason that decisions are "the decision will probably be made in two or three years" stalled by these comments. They no longer have to do research in the library. The Legislature, Special Counsel and Inspector Generals all need to start getting things done faster.

Fritz609 · Feb 28, 2018

21? Coming from the draft dodging commander in chief? Sounds crazy to me.

cherok2e · Feb 28, 2018

Fritz609 said:
21? Coming from the draft dodging commander in chief? Sounds crazy to me.

Medical deferment is not draft dodging. I think you should at least tell the truth here. Did you serve?

satx78247 · Feb 28, 2018

Fritz609,

PITY that you are posting IGNORANT, LEFTIST talking points out of the extremist/leftist DIMocRATS Party, that wouldn't fool my 11yo niece & that make you LOOK stupid.

yours, satx

BRD@66 · Feb 28, 2018

steady there bud.

grasshopperglock · Feb 28, 2018

Wal-Mart changed the rules. Now they require 21.

ZX9RCAM · Feb 28, 2018

They always required 21 for handgun ammo.

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