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  • Charlie

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    I've worked with teachers most of my life. Many, male and female, would have no problem carrying concealed. Especially in the small rural districts that I've worked in. In the city schools, it would be probably much different. My daughter is an English teacher in a small district in West Texas and she knows how to shoot and would probably not have a problem carrying, especially in her purse. It should be entirely up to the individual, male or female.
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    HKShooter65

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    Not not sure I grasp the objection to ending “gun free zones”. I don’t see any proposed laws “forcing” ANY teacher to carry a firearm. Putting an end to gun free zones, just allows those teachers who have a LTC, to carry. Certainly doesn’t mean they must carry - it just removes the legal penalty if they chose to carry.


    Actually:

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    WASHINGTON — President Trump on Thursday enthusiastically embraced a National Rifle Association position to arm highly trained teachers to fortify schools against mass shootings like the one last week. Mr. Trump, who said the armed teachers should receive extra pay as an incentive, promoted his idea as demands for stronger gun control intensified across the country.

    “You give them a little bit of a bonus, so practically for free, you have now made the school into a hardened target,” Mr. Trump said. The president estimated that 10 percent to 40 percent of school employees would be qualified to handle a weapon — he offered no data for the claim — and said he would devote federal money to training them."
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    Trump proposed making schools "hardened targets" and paying teachers more to carry.

    I'm terribly distraught and want, as much as anyone, to keep students safe.

    I don't know how.
    Maybe arming teachers is plausible.
    The teachers I've personally, just this week, asked think it's a terrible idea. Admittedly most of them think Trump is terrible to begin with.
     

    Darkpriest667

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    Respectfully......83.2% of statistics are made up when the need arises???
    :)

    Here:
    3/4 of HS teachers are XX phenotypes.
    https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2009/2009324/tables/sass0708_2009324_t12n_03.asp

    We should all be fact-checking fools, eh?


    Must be some weird schools I've worked in two high schools and it's heavily male. HEAVILY.. Most of the coaches, even girls coaches are men.. but hey .. 3/4 of ALL high school teachers might be.. but that includes california.



    BTW the crappy link you gave me... shows that 40% of all secondary teachers (including middle school which is 6-8) are male... so if you take out 6-8 I was probably right but whatever. Have a good night,
     

    easy rider

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    I'll make an unpopular comment.

    In a professional capacity I interact with a lot on k-12 teachers.
    I've spoken to a half dozen of them this last week.

    In my unofficial, unscientific, unverifiable "poll" 100% of them, mostly young women, effectively say "no way in hell" would they or anyone they know want to be armed and trained to take on a crazed school shooter.

    The reality is that a teacher with a handgun taking on a modestly proficient AR-15 shooter would be a suicide mission. How many 30-something 4th grade teachers would even consider this?

    Painful as it is, there is no non-painful answer to what happened in Florida.

    Not unless our society can recruit all the retired special-forces military men and women to be 3rd grade English teachers and HS geometry teachers!! I'll not hold my breath.
    I'm pretty sure that we're all in agreement that if someone is not comfortable carrying, they shouldn't. What I was saying, my opinion if not others, is that teachers that have an LTC should be allowed to carry for defense in schools. So far as I know the sky hasn't fallen since colleges allowed concealed carry, and I don't believe it will fall if the lower schools allowed it.
     

    easy rider

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    Actually:

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    WASHINGTON — President Trump on Thursday enthusiastically embraced a National Rifle Association position to arm highly trained teachers to fortify schools against mass shootings like the one last week. Mr. Trump, who said the armed teachers should receive extra pay as an incentive, promoted his idea as demands for stronger gun control intensified across the country.

    “You give them a little bit of a bonus, so practically for free, you have now made the school into a hardened target,” Mr. Trump said. The president estimated that 10 percent to 40 percent of school employees would be qualified to handle a weapon — he offered no data for the claim — and said he would devote federal money to training them."
    .........................................
    Trump proposed making schools "hardened targets" and paying teachers more to carry.

    I'm terribly distraught and want, as much as anyone, to keep students safe.

    I don't know how.
    Maybe arming teachers is plausible.
    The teachers I've personally, just this week, asked think it's a terrible idea. Admittedly most of them think Trump is terrible to begin with.
    Although I'm a teacher, I'm not too keen on the incentive part. Teachers may get the training offered, but would that make them better? What was their position on guns before they decided they want the extra pay? I think it should be a choice, not an incentive to carry. To me someone that has made a choice to own and carry handguns would be someone that would probably train on their own, not just for extra money.
     

    Darkpriest667

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    Although I'm a teacher, I'm not too keen on the incentive part. Teachers may get the training offered, but would that make them better? What was their position on guns before they decided they want the extra pay? I think it should be a choice, not an incentive to carry. To me someone that has made a choice to own and carry handguns would be someone that would probably train on their own, not just for extra money.

    I dont need to be paid more to do my job which is to keep kids safe AND educate them.
     

    sidebite252

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    There are thoughts all over the map on this. I support qualified teachers with handguns but a very close friend who is a teacher has a lot of concern over the liable issues of LTC in class. I get it and he shouldn’t qualify to carry. Very simple. Not everyone is would or will.
     

    roberthleeii

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    I didn't read the links, but IMHO, teachers are teachers. However, we should have armed security in all schools, as well as access control, and metal detectors.

    I am sorry but I am tired of this argument. I am a teacher and I carry everywhere but school. By this logic no one should be able to carry when at work...
     

    roberthleeii

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    Although I'm a teacher, I'm not too keen on the incentive part. Teachers may get the training offered, but would that make them better? What was their position on guns before they decided they want the extra pay? I think it should be a choice, not an incentive to carry. To me someone that has made a choice to own and carry handguns would be someone that would probably train on their own, not just for extra money.

    As a teacher I agree. I am not in favor of the financial incentive. I only want people who are carrying for the right reasons. I actually would rather pay for another teachers training that works in my children's school. I would be up for free training though. :)
     

    oohrah

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    I am sorry but I am tired of this argument. I am a teacher and I carry everywhere but school. By this logic no one should be able to carry when at work...
    You misunderstood me. I'm not opposed to anyone carrying at work if they so choose. My point is a teacher didn't sign up to also be security. But security needs to be provided so they can do their job. If a teacher also chooses to be part of security, more power to them.
     

    BRD@66

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    Argyle, Medina, & Brookesmith ISD - who else. (Brookesmith may no longer be armed because they're so poor no one can afford ammo).
     

    TheMailMan

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    I'll make an unpopular comment.

    In a professional capacity I interact with a lot on k-12 teachers.
    I've spoken to a half dozen of them this last week.

    In my unofficial, unscientific, unverifiable "poll" 100% of them, mostly young women, effectively say "no way in hell" would they or anyone they know want to be armed and trained to take on a crazed school shooter.

    The reality is that a teacher with a handgun taking on a modestly proficient AR-15 shooter would be a suicide mission. How many 30-something 4th grade teachers would even consider this?

    Painful as it is, there is no non-painful answer to what happened in Florida.

    Not unless our society can recruit all the retired special-forces military men and women to be 3rd grade English teachers and HS geometry teachers!! I'll not hold my breath.

    So you talked with a group of young women, all of them who have been indoctrinated since they entered the Government run education system, about their thoughts on carrying a firearm.

    I could have told you what the results of that would have been. That's a huge observational bias. Kind of like going to an AA meeting and talking to them about how many would like to be a bartender.
     

    roberthleeii

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    You misunderstood me. I'm not opposed to anyone carrying at work if they so choose. My point is a teacher didn't sign up to also be security. But security needs to be provided so they can do their job. If a teacher also chooses to be part of security, more power to them.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding but please clarify those statements more in the future because to me that sounds like an argument against carrying at work. I do agree that teachers carrying is only a part of the solution. We need more security at schools. I would be very happy if we had off duty or retired military (or law enforcement) on campus. They could also serve as positive role models and mentors. And that is just one of many other positive solutions to help our current situation.
     

    roberthleeii

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    I'll make an unpopular comment.

    In a professional capacity I interact with a lot on k-12 teachers.
    I've spoken to a half dozen of them this last week.

    In my unofficial, unscientific, unverifiable "poll" 100% of them, mostly young women, effectively say "no way in hell" would they or anyone they know want to be armed and trained to take on a crazed school shooter.

    The reality is that a teacher with a handgun taking on a modestly proficient AR-15 shooter would be a suicide mission. How many 30-something 4th grade teachers would even consider this?

    Painful as it is, there is no non-painful answer to what happened in Florida.

    Not unless our society can recruit all the retired special-forces military men and women to be 3rd grade English teachers and HS geometry teachers!! I'll not hold my breath.

    In my interactions as a k-12 teacher talking to other k-12 teachers there are plenty that would disagree with your assumptions. And you argument of taking on an intruder with an AR-15 with a hand gun while true is just one of many situations that armed staff can help protect students. What if the shooter had a handgun not an AR-15. What if that staff member simply slows the shooter down, turns him away from a group of students, or how many of these people stop and commit suicide when they run in to the first sign of resistance? I don't leave my carry pistol at home because I might run in to a bad person with a rifle..
     

    Shady

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    in this case its easy. If I was a teacher and I had a guy with an ar 15 cruising the halls of my school

    A> duck cover and pray
    b> Hope to hell he does not see my pea shooter when he busts in my room and I get a couple shots off.

    I don't care what anyone says if I am faced with a gun being leveled at me I want to be armed and not go out as a sheep. Would I charge down the hall and try to engage them. I don't know there are to many variables but at least if armed you have a chance and the choice.

    Unarmed your are screwed.

    But if you are unarmed by choice well then you get what you deserve.
     

    Davetex

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    Ohio teachers are flocking to a gun training class being offered by an Ohio Sheriff’s department. Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones told Fox & Friends that when they decided to offer the firearm training class to teachers they expected maybe 20 educators to sign up — instead there were hundreds. “We put it online, we thought we’d get 20 school teachers maybe. Within 20 minutes we had 40. Within an hour we had 100. Within four hours we had 200. By the next morning, at 300, we cut it off,” Jones said.
     

    F350-6

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    Oddly enough, if you log onto that pole with different computers and different browsers and vote yes, the number of people who have voted doesn't change. Even emailed my kiddo and had her do it and the voted number was still the same when she went to it.

    You don't think they would fake the poll, do you? ;)
     

    satx78247

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    I dont need to be paid more to do my job which is to keep kids safe AND educate them.

    Darkpriest667,

    I understand. My kid sister is a 6th grade teacher, 60YO & small country town raised. = IF her students were threatened with violence, she would use ANY & EVERY possibility at her disposal to protect them from harm.
    (Even though we don't get along all that well, I have NO doubt of her determination to do whatever she could in that threatening situation.)

    I suspect that my sister is FAR from alone in that protective instinct, among teachers.

    What such teachers NEED is a suitable method to defend their students from harm.

    yours, satx
     
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