Confiscation has begun

Brains said:

Well it perhaps does, they do assume you're a criminal. They just have the inconvenient requirement of proving it.

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Well, it's the same as a car licence and registration/insursnce. Sure not everyone who wants a car is gonna do dumb shit with it and be a risk to their wider community... but there is just enough fuckin' idiots out there that make it necessary for everyone to have to prove competence, hold a licence/registration and 3rd party insurance.

Anyway my point was not trying to compare Aus/US at all on this subject, it's a pointless comparison. Moreso trying to explain to old mate that he was way off the mark about my nation in regards to firearms.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/australias-gun-laws-america.html

This article touches on some of the ridiculous restrictions on Aussies.

343Gatter said:

......Anyway my point was not trying to compare Aus/US at all on this subject,.....

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Realllllly.

oldag said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/australias-gun-laws-america.html

This article touches on some of the ridiculous restrictions on Aussies.

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The caption under the picture sets the tone for the rest of the article, right off the mark it's inaccurate.

"Banned firearms" the fact is none of those firearms are banned, they were unregistered. And most of the ones in that picture look like ya grandads shotgun, entirely not banned or even restricted. And as I stated in previous posts, a large amount of the unregistered firearms handed in during the buyback were sold back into the civilian market as registered firearms.

So one inner city journalist writes an article based on emotion and not fact, all that article proves is that left wing media bias is a plague across both our countries.

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BRD@66 said:

Realllllly.

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Yeah of course i'm not comparing the two in that regard. We have different geographic and demographic issues. Its alot easier for us to secure our borders from illegal immigration and smuggling. We're an island the size of mainland USA, with no international land borders.

If the US tried to implement anything close to what AU has, it would only create a black market south of the US border. So latin cartels would be running drugs and guns north.

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It certainly didn't read as favorable to gun control, is your left wing media opposite of ours?

easy rider said:

It certainly didn't read as favorable to gun control, is your left wing media opposite of ours?

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That is how it appears, and it depends on which perspective you're reading it from. But the information he has used is either exaggerated, not true and largely based on emotion.

The writer of the article awrites for the Australian Financial Review, which is owned by Fairfax Media, which is well known for left wing media bias.

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343Gatter said:

That is how it appears, and it depends on which perspective you're reading it from. But the information he has used is either exaggerated, not true and largely based on emotion.

The writer of the article awrites for the Australian Financial Review, which is owned by Fairfax Media, which is well known for left wing media bias.

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Okay, I'm just saying that article would most definitely not be in one of our leftists rags.

343Gatter said:

Yeah of course i'm not comparing the two in that regard. We have different geographic and demographic issues. Its alot easier for us to secure our borders from illegal immigration and smuggling. We're an island the size of mainland USA, with no international land borders.

If the US tried to implement anything close to what AU has, it would only create a black market south of the US border. So latin cartels would be running drugs and guns north.

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Unfortunately, cartels have already been doing that.

easy rider said:

Unfortunately, cartels have already been doing that.

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Indeed, and it would only get worse.

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343Gatter said:

The caption under the picture sets the tone for the rest of the article, right off the mark it's inaccurate.

"Banned firearms" the fact is none of those firearms are banned, they were unregistered. And most of the ones in that picture look like ya grandads shotgun, entirely not banned or even restricted. And as I stated in previous posts, a large amount of the unregistered firearms handed in during the buyback were sold back into the civilian market as registered firearms.

So one inner city journalist writes an article based on emotion and not fact, all that article proves is that left wing media bias is a plague across both our countries.

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So the following are false?

Twenty-eight-day waiting times were introduced for firearm purchases. All gun buyers were required to have a genuine reason to qualify for a license (self-protection didn’t count). A national gun registry was created.

Australians, on the whole, were happy to give up their guns and accept the new restrictions. They understood that semiautomatic guns, which reload themselves each time fired, increase exponentially the lethality of a firearm.

a conservative prime minister was able to confiscate some 650,000 privately owned firearms and ban semiautomatic weapons

I am legally obliged to store the rifle in a gun safe. Bullets must be kept in a separate compartment. A police officer visited my home to ensure that the safe was bolted into my garage’s brick wall.

343Gatter said:

Moreso trying to explain to old mate that he was way off the mark about my nation in regards to firearms.

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LOL
Yep, old, and well armed ... good luck with that being something you will be able to say.

karlac said:

LOL
Yep, old, and well armed ... good luck with that being something you will be able to say.

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Just so ya know I don't mean "old mate" as a derogatory term. Its just a reference to someone else for anyone you have been talking to and can't remember their name, regardless of age or gender.

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oldag said:

So the following are false?

Twenty-eight-day waiting times were introduced for firearm purchases. All gun buyers were required to have a genuine reason to qualify for a license (self-protection didn’t count). A national gun registry was created.

Australians, on the whole, were happy to give up their guns and accept the new restrictions. They understood that semiautomatic guns, which reload themselves each time fired, increase exponentially the lethality of a firearm.

a conservative prime minister was able to confiscate some 650,000 privately owned firearms and ban semiautomatic weapons

I am legally obliged to store the rifle in a gun safe. Bullets must be kept in a separate compartment. A police officer visited my home to ensure that the safe was bolted into my garage’s brick wall.

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1. There is slight variances between states but overall the 28 day waiting period is the period you have to wait after you apply for your firearm licence and when you can buy your first firearm. After that any other firearm you buy there is no waiting period.

Most of that 28 days you're waiting on your licence application to be processed and the licence card to arrive in the mail. So whether there was or was not an official waiting period you would probably waiting most of that time anyway.

2. Most of the firearms handed in were either old hand downs that no one wanted, or couldn't be registered because uncle Bill cut the stock and barrel down to make the whole thing 11 inches long to carry around for a snake gun. Or the person simply had no licence and wasn't able to/didn't want to get one for the firearm they had. And the govt was offering good money and asking no questions for whatever you brought in for the buyback so what better chance to get rid of it and get some money.

Despite my light hearted take on it in the above paragraph, this is actually indicated in the figures, over half of the firearms handed in were rimfires and about another third were shotguns which were either ancient or excessively shortened .410s singles and .12 pump actions.

3. 200,000 of those firearms handed in were back in circulation the following year as registered firearms. Many more re-entered civilian circulation as registered firearms over the following years and the rest that were unserviceable or rediculous (rocket launchers, belt fed MGs, etc and so on) were destroyed or made unserviceable and donated to museums or destroyed. Semi autos were not and are not banned, yes it is true you need a separate category of licence for one, and professional hunters, farmers and other occupational users are about the only people who bother to apply for a semi auto licence.

4. Yes you have to install a safe and keep your firearms in that safe when you're not using them. When I got my licence you just sign a stat dec saying you have installed a safe. Some states require you to send a picture of the safe installed.

The police do not come to check your safe, at least I have never heard of it and I know firearm owners in every state and territory of Aus. However if they have reason to suspect that you're misusing your firearms, (complaints from neighbours/family members/wider community or if you're accused of threatening someone with your firearms or caught hunting on someones land without permission etc), depending on severity of the situation or claims they can come in and request you to hand your firearms over until the matter can be sorted out.

Well, Mr 343gatter, we here in the U.S. have it quite a bit better than you Aussies do. We have an amendment to our constitution that GUARANTEES our right to keep & bear arms. Sorry you guys don't, but THAT'S the reason we don't want the Australian plan for US!

The whole point is, the citizenry being armed is about the only thing in theory that will keep the government from completing the final step in the “let’s get too big for our britiches” march.

It’s the last failsafe if the other failsafes are shattered.

Lets not lose sight of the fact that despite our differences, Australia has provided the world with wonderful cultural and artistic media.

Like AC/DC and Ozzyman Reviews.

Let's not forget the egg-nish-nah.

LOCKHART said:

Well, Mr 343gatter, we here in the U.S. have it quite a bit better than you Aussies do. We have an amendment to our constitution that GUARANTEES our right to keep & bear arms. Sorry you guys don't, but THAT'S the reason we don't want the Australian plan for US!

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Cool story bro. But if you read my posts you'll notice my entire point has not been trying to sell those Aus legislation to you. Why would I bother? I lived in Texas for years I know what it's like. But rather my point was:

1. Trying to correct some mistruths
2. Trying to show people comparing AU/US in this regard is irrelevant.

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Younggun said:

Lets not lose sight of the fact that despite our differences, Australia has provided the world with wonderful cultural and artistic media.

Like AC/DC and Ozzyman Reviews.

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It is true those two icons summarise the contemporary attitude and culture of the general populace inhabiting the island nation circa 1980-now.

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